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Approved For Releas FLYING SAUCER continued “They” seem puzzled by time and aging something like that, and they scraped, and they put the flakes on this plastic. ... And the leader of the group puts it in the top drawer. And then they put my head .. . in this thing that holds your head. . .. And the examiner opens my eyes and looks into them with a light, and he opens my mouth, and he looks in my throat and my teeth and in my ears. .. . And then he takes like a—oh, a swab—and he puts it in my left ear, and he puts this on another piece of this material. And the leader rolls it all wp and puts it in the top drawer too. Then they takea couple of strands of my hair, and they pull it out, and he gives this to the leader, and he wraps that up and puts that in the top drawer. ... And then he feels my neck, behind my ears, under my chin, around my collar bone, and —oh—and then they take off my shoes and look at my feet and at my hands. . . . And he takes something, and he goes underneath my finger- nail, and then he. . . cut off a piece of my finger- nail. And then the doctor, the examiner, tells me to take off my dress... and so I slip my dress off. . .. Tlie down on the table, on my back, and he brings over this—oh, how can I describe it? They’ re like needles, a whole cluster of needles, and each needle has a wire going from it... . They touch me with the needles. ... Ic doesn’t hurt at all... . He puts it on my knee, and my leg jumps. And then on my foot too. He did it around my ankle. And then they have me roll over on my stomach and they touch all along my back. . . . Then they roll me over on my back, and the examiner had a long needle in his hand... . And I ask him what he’s going to do with it...and he said he just wants to put it in my navel, it’s just’a simple test. And I tell him, no, it will hurt, don’t do it, don’t do it. And I’m crying, and I’m telling him: It’s hurting, it’s hurting, take it out, take it out! And the leader comes over, and he puts his hand, rubs his hand in front of my eyes, and he says it will be all right, I won't feel it... . The pain goes away. But I’m sore from where they put that needle. ~ pocrTor: Did they make any sexual advances to you? BETTY: No. ... I asked the leader, I said: Why did they put that needle into my navel? And he said it was a pregnancy test. I said I don’t know what they expected, but that was no pregnancy test. And he didn’t say any more... . pocTor: All right. We'll stop here now. The Hills returned to the office for Betty's second session on March 14, 1964. pocTor: About this needle. How far in did he inject the needle? BETTY: Oh, it was a long needle. I don’t know, I thought it—I didn’t look, but I would say the needle was four inches long, six, maybe....Some- thing like a tube was attached to it. They didn’t leave it in very long. Just for a second. poctor: What kind of pain was it? BETTY: All I could think of was a knife. ... Then, I was grateful to the leader for stopping the pain 112 Look 10-18-66 Bothered at first by the account given by the Hills, Dr. Simon (above) was con- vinced after a few sessions that they were telling him the truth as they understood it. The Hills (right) stand near the scene of their disturbing experience. ... then they said that was the end of the testing. And the leader helped me up. . . . I put my dress on. And I was going to zip it up, and he took hold of the zipper and zipped it up. And then—oh, I said: I can go now? I can go back to the car? And he said: Barney isn’t ready yet. . . . He said that they were doing a few more tests with him, but he'd be right along in a minute. . . . I started talk- ing with the leader. And I said to him that this had been quite an experience. . . . That no one would ever, ever believe me. . .. And that what I needed was some proof that this had really hap- pened. He laughed and said what kind of proof did I want? . .. And I said, well, if he could give me something to take back with me, then people would believe it. And so he told me to look around and maybe I could find something I would like to take. And I did—and there wasn’t much around—but on the cabinet, there was a book, a fairly big book . . . and I said: Could I have this? And he told me to look in the book, and I did. It had pages, it had writing, but nothing like I had ever seen before. ... The writing didn’t go across, it went up and down. pocror: Did it look like any language that you know or was it in English? BETTY: No, it wasn’t in English. DocTorR: What language do you know that goes up and down? BETTY: I don’t know it, but I can recognize it. I can’t read it: Japanese. DOCTOR: Japanese. Did this look like Japanese? BETTY: No. Doctor: Was it writing or printing? BETTY: It was different . . . it had sharp lines, and they were, some were very thin, and some were medium, and some were very heavy. It had some dots. It had straight lines and curved lines. And the leader laughed, and he asked me if I thought I could read it. And I told him no. . . but this was going to be my proof that this happened. ... And so he said that I could have it... . And I was de- lighted. ... And so then I said... I knew he wasn’t from the earth, and I wanted to know where he did come from. And he asked me if I knew any- thing about the universe. And I told him, no, I know practically nothing. ... And he went across the room and pulled out a map, and he asks me had I ever seen a map like this before. . . . There were all these dots on it, scattered all over it. Some were little, just pinpoints. And others were as big as a nickle. And there were lines . . . going from one dot to another. And there was one big circle, and it had a lot of lines coming out from it. A lot of lines going to another circle quite close, but not as big. And these were heavy lines. And I asked him what they meant. And he said that the heavy lines were trade routes. The other lines, the solid lines, were places they went oc- ’ casionally. And he said the broken lines were ex- peditions. .. . I asked him where was his home port, and he said: Where are you on the map? I looked and laughed and said I don’t know. So he said: If you don’t know where you are, then there isn’t any point of my telling where I am from. And he put the map away... . And I thought: Well, I still have the book... . All of a sudden, some men came in with the examiner. They are quite excited. ... The examiner has me open my mouth, and he starts checking my teeth. And he tugs at them. I asked what they are trying to do. ... The examiner says they could not figure it out—Barney’s teeth came out and mine didn’t. I was really laughing and said Barney had dentures, and I didn’t. They asked me: What are dentures? And I said people as they got older lost their teeth. They go toa dentist and get dentures. Ora person sometimes—Barney had to have dentures because he had a mouth injury. He had to have his teeth extracted. .. . I said it happens to almost everyone as they get older. And he said: What is older? I said: Old age. So he said: What is old age? And I said—well it varied, but as a person gets older, there are changes in him, particularly physical. He begins to sort of break down with age. So he said, what did I mean by age? And I said the life span—the length of time people live. He said, how long was this? And I said, well, about 100 years at the most. People can die be- fore that—most of them do... . I think the aver- age length of time... I don’t know. . . was 65 or 70. So he said, 65 or 70 what? I said: Years. He said: What is a year? And I said it had to do with how many days, and the days had so many hours, Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8