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= Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8 FLYING SAUCER continued Barney Hill, under hypnosis, drew the above sketch of the “‘leader’’ of the al- leged abductors. Later, while he was listening to the tape recording of his own account of the incident, he seemed to go into a trancelike state, and drew the more finished sketch below. The eyes were elongated, he said, and the lips appeared to have no muscles. qMATAR 4 we SCHEAT . : ALPHERATZ } i. a ‘ ao MARKAB © °— CTA-102 “ GALGENIB e ¢ o Under hypnosis, Betty Hill desctibed a map she was shown “by the leader aboard the ship.” Later, she sketched it. She said she was told that the heavy lines marked regular trade routes, and the broken lines recorded various space expeditions. The following year, the map seen at right was published in the New York Times. (Note the caption.) Mrs. Hill, struck by the similarity between the Times map and her sketch, then added the corresponding names. ae cee ee ee et Se He ee Se ce ee CELESTIAL EQUAT The New Yoru 7 mes Ap 13, 1955, FROM DEEP 1N SPACE: Radio source called CTA-102 (cross), in direction of corsteilation Pegasus, may be sending intelligent radio emissions, Russian believes. Hill has nightmares about the possible return of the UFO pocror: Well, do you communicate in any other ways? Could you have communicated all this to Barney through thought transference? petty: No. I don’t know as I could believe to that extent. Like, sometimes I used to have a teacher in college, and I would sit in the front row. ... And I would think: Scratch your face, you know, scratch your leg. And then wait to see how long it would take him to do it. pocror: But you had no such communication between yourself and these strangers? BETTY: I don’t know if I did hear them in En- glish. .. . I’ve been telling myself I heard them in English, with an accent. But I don’t know. poctor: Well, did you hear them in any lan- guage? Or was it by thought transference? BETTY: I knew what they were saying. poctor: You knew what they were thinking. You rather liked this leader, didn’t you? BETTY: I was afraid of him at first. pocTor: But afterwards? BETTY: I~you know—began to feel that they weten’t going to harm me. ... - After the Hills had left, the doctor dictated a brief summary: “There seem to be indications that a great deal of the experience was absorbed by Barney Hill from Betty, in spite of his insistence that this was his own. . . . The implications are self-evident, and it is planned now to continue these interviews at a more con- scious level. Both of them appear to have been remembering more now after the Sessions. On March 28, Dr. Simon asked Betty: “Do you recall much of your ex- perience now?” BETTY: Yes, I think so. I’ve also had a couple of nightmares again. ... And Barney’s been having nightmares all week. He seems to be trying to figure this out: Are they going to come back? 1 16 LOOK 10-18-66 pocror: Are who going to come back? BETTY (Laughing): The uFo. The people on it: We are quite convinced that they are going to come back and get us... . And I think this is because—because they had told us to forget about it. And we defied them by not forgetting about it. And he’s feeling guilty, probably feeling that he deserves to be captured again. .. . Barney was full of doubts and con- fusion as the recall of the sessions with Dr. Simon began to flood back to him. He revealed this on the morning of March 28. BARNEY: I just can’t seem to believe—well, I’m just flabbergasted. .. . pocrTor: Flabbergasted about what? BARNEY: At what I remembered from our ses- sions last week . . . This business of seeing a UFO, an object, and personal contact with it seems to stretch my imagination as to the incredibility of the whole thing. I wanted to ask you: What are the elements, what are the chances of a person, uh, hallucinating something? I want to know the answers to these things. . . . I had never dreamed consciously of a UFO in my life until here re- cently. And I wanted to ask: Is it possible I could have dreamed of a UFO unconsciously and not have had—To clarify what I am saying: I have had many dreams over many periods of times of my life, and in many instances, I can’t recall what I dreamed about. But I do know that it was along a certain particular line. If I had dreamed of being in Philadelphia, I would waken and forget the dream. But I would know that somehow that dream content was somewhere in Philadelphia, and I would not be totally unaware. But I had never, to my knowledge, dreamed of a UFO until recently... . Could I, after 1961, have dreamed of a UFO and then under hypnosis my dream is com- ing out? pocTor: You're asking me could it have been a dream. . . . What do you think? Could it have been? BARNEY: Well, now, in the truthful answer, try- ing now to not conceal my feelings of being ridi- culed, I would say it was something that hap- pened. But I - I - I puta protective coating on my- self, because I don’t want to be ridiculed. . . . I knew I sawa large object. I knew this, but I didn’t think much of it. pocTor: Well, you were pretty well convinced of having sighted something. But you have some doubts in mind about the rest. Of whether it was reality, or-dream, or what it was... . Then, why would you and Betty have the same experience? Could you give me some possible explanation there? BARNEY: Uh, these are the questions I’m asking: Could she have influenced me? DocTor: Well, you were always afraid she would influence you, weren’t you? BARNEY: . .. When I was standing out there, I knew she wasn’t influencing me. What I was thinking is that I would rather not talk about it. Okay, we see something, now let’s get in our ear and drive about our business. And this irritated me when-she kept-saying: But look, it’s right over there. And even as I would slow down to takea peek, I would see this object out there. And this greatly irritated me. And so I said: What are you trying to do? Make me see something that isn’t there? Knowing that it was there, and not wanting it to be there. And I think this is a part of why I’m confused. . . . Asthe discussion continued, Barney brought up the fact that the small circle of warts that had developed in an almost geometrically perfect circle around his groin some four months after the incident at Indian Head had become inflamed after his therapy with Dr. Simon had begun. As the conscious memory of what he had revealed under hypnosis came back to him, he became aware of the recollection that in the examina- tion on the craft,-a circular instrument had been placed at exactly thesame-point where the warts had now appeared. He wondered: Had these been caused by the examination and the instru- ment used? Barney was also intelligent enough to realize that the reverse could be true: The continued Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8