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) FLYING SAUCERS continued 7. And this object that was a plane—was not a - plane. It was—oh, it was funny. It was coming around towards us. I looked up and down the road. And I thought: How dark it is. What if a _ bear was to come out? ... . I returned to the car; ’ and said: Let’s go Betty. It’snothing but a plane: And they're coming over this way. They’re chang- ing course. Probably it’s a Piper Cub. pocTor: A Piper Cub would only have one or two windows, wouldn’t it? You saw windows in this plane? BARNEY: This is what I said, and this is what I saw when I returned to my cat. A Piper Cub. .. : And I drive, and Betty is still looking. And she said: Barney, this is not a plane. It is still follow- ing us. And I stop and I look, and I see it is still out there. Off in a distance. So I search for a place to pull off the road. And I see‘a dirt road to the tight of the main highway: And I think this is a good place where I can pull over. And if any~ car comes, it won’t strike me. And I getout of the _ cat, and I am thinking: This is strange. He returns to the car. His tone rex flects the strangeness now. BARNEY: "Cause it is still there. And Betty said —I think she said, I am mad with her. I say to my- self: I believe Betty is trying to make me think this is a flying saucer... . And I am wondering why doesn’t it go away. And I stop, and J look again. And I see where it has gone up ahead of us on Cannon Mountain. And I think when I get past Old Man of the Mountains, it will bea good . ~atea to look and see this thing. And I am going to report it. : _ Doctor: Do you still think it was a Piper Cub?.. SC a “BARNEY: I am wondering why these pilots are military. And they shouldn’t do that. ‘They will make some person have an accident by flying around like that. And what if they dived at me. And the military should not do that. pocTor: You are looking for a place where you can stop and observe this. And Betty has been “constantly egging you on. BARNEY: I want to wake up! This is the reaction of a subject who is about to experience a painful event, an ‘event that he can’t face even in the trance. Dr. Simon is alerted at this point to the likelihood of a stréng emotional ‘ reaction. ; — “ Doctor: You're not going to wake up. You're ina deep sleep. You are comfortable, relaxed. This is not going to trouble you. Go on. You can re- member everything now. BARNEY: It’s right over my right! God! What is it? [His voice begins to tremble.] And I try to. maintain control, so Betty cannot tell I am scared. God, I'm scared! pocrTor: It’s all right. You can go right on, ex: perience it. It will not hurt you now. ; BARNEY: [Breaks into breathless sobbing, then screams.| I gotta get a weapon! He screams again. His sobs become uncontrollable. The doctor must decide. whether to impose an amnesia and bring 54 Loox 10-466 7 him out of the trance or to keep him moving through the.experience for the - purposes of abreaction, the therapeutic discharge of feeling. DOCTOR: Gotosleep. Youcan forgetnow. You've forgotten. You're calm now. Relaxed. Deeply re- ~ Jaxed..You do-not have to make an outcry. But you can remember it now. Keep remembering. You feel you have to get a weapon. ~- - BARNEY: Yes. ° _ DOCTOR: This is going to harm you, you felt: ’ Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81RO BARNEY: Yes. I open the trunk of my car. I get the tire wrench ... part of the jack. And I get back in the car. : ; Again, his panic is rising. Doctor: All right. Just keep reasonably calm: BARNEY: And I keep it by me. And then I get out with the binoculars. And it is there. And I look. And I look. And it is just over the field. And I think, I think: I’m nor afraid. . . . I'll fight it off. I'm not afraid! ... And I walk across the road. There it is—up there! Ohhh, God! He again breaks into a scream. DOCTOR: It’s there. You can see it. But it’s not_ going to hurt you. BARNEY: Why doesn’t it go away—Look at it!- There’s a man there! Is—is—is he a captain? What is he? He—he looks at me! _ boctor: What does it look likenow?. BARNEY: It looks—like a—big—pancake. With windows—and rows of windows and lights. Not lights, just one huge light. . poctor: Rows of windows? Like a commercial plane?’ BARNEY: Rows of windows. They're ot like a) , commercial plane. Because they curve around the side of this—this pancake. I’ve got—I’ve got —this can’t be true. This isn’t here. Ohhh, it’s still there. And I look—up:and down the road. Can’t somebody come? Can’t somebody come and #e// me this is not there? It can’t be, but— The doctor feels that Barney may be _ dreaming this. He explores this point. DOCTOR: You'd had no sleep that evening? BARNEY: I pinch my right arm... . After a brief exchange, the doctor is satisfied that Barney was awake. pocror: You're clear now. Relaxed. BARNEY: It’s still there. If I let my binoculars ’ fall, and dangle fram my neck—and start over ~. again, maybe it won't be there. But it is. Why? What do théy want? One person looks friendly to me. And he’s looking at me . .. over his right shoulder. And he’s smiling. But... but... . pocTor: Could you see him clearly? a BARNEY: Yes, I could. pDocToR: What was his face like? What did it make you think of? BARNEY: It was round. I think of—I think of— Toye — Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R00010001 0003-8 a redheaded Irishman. I don’t know why. I think I know why. Because Irish are usually hostile to~ Negroes. And when I see a friendly Irish person, I react to him by thinking: I will be friendly. And I think this one that is looking over his shoulder is friendly. ; Doctor: You say, “looking over his shoulder.” Was he facing away from you? ; - BARNEY: Yes. He was facing a wall... And there is an-evil face on the—he looks like a, Ger- man Nazi. He’s a Nazi. .. . He had a-black scarf around his neck, dangling over his left shoulder. Doctor: He had a black scarf around his neck? How could you see the figures so clearly at that distance? BARNEY: I was looking at them with binoculars. Doctor: Oh. Did they have faces like other people? You said one was like a redheaded Irish- man. . BARNEY: His eyes were slanted. Oh—his eyes: ‘were slanted! But not like a Chinese—Oh! Oh! I feel like a rabbit. I feel like a rabbit. Doctor: What do you mean.by that? BARNEY: I was hunting for rabbits in Virginia. And this cute little bunny went into a bush that was not very big. And my cousin Marge was on one side of the bush, and I was on the other— ‘with a hat. And the poor little bunny thought he was safe. And it tickled'me, because he was just hiding behind a little stalk, which,meant security to him—when TI’ pounced on him and threw my — hat on him and captured the poor little bunay who thought he was safe. Funny, I thought of that—tight out there on the field. I feel like a rabbit. > ; Doctor: What was Betty doing all this time? BARNEY: can’t hear her. Le DOCTOR: Did you make any outcry to het the way you did to me? You would remember if you did. . BARNEY: I did not. I know this creature is telling me something. DOCTOR: Telling you something? How? How is he getting it to you? ; BARNEY: I can See it in his face. No, his lips are not moving. And he’s looking at me.. And he's just telling me: Don’t be afraid. I’m not a bunny. I'mgoing tobe... .I’m-going to be safe. Hedidn’t tell me I was that bunny. poctor: Did you hear him tell you this? - 4 BARNEY: Oh, no. He didn’t say it. DocTor: You fe/t he said it? ? / BARNEY: I know. _ DOCTOR: You know he said it? BARNEY: Yes. Just stay.there, he said. It’s pound- » ing in my head!! I gotta get away! I gotta get ' away from here! pocror: All right. All right. Calm down... . How can you be sure he was telling you this? BARNEY: His eyes! His eyes! I’ve never seen eyes like that before. a J 0560R000100010003-8 “. _