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Hathaway: That's going to be easy enough to run down. No, I don't know anything about that. But I gather then that you really don't have any recollection of this? Helms : No. Hathaway: OK, good enough. Now I've got a list of other cases and again, I suspect you don't remember or may never . . . Helms : Well, try them on me. Hathaway: Right. There were two cases of Soviet.KGBIand GRU people in New York, 1 I Helms: Those were FBI cases, right? Hathaway: Right. They were FBI cases. Angleton'handled them for us, he was our liaison. They touched on the Nosenko case, they touched on Golitsyn. I was wondering whether you knew anything particular about those? Helms : Well, I did know something about them at the time, but I believe they have gone on after my time. In other words, they didn't end at my time and I think the best thing for you to do is to get Angleton to straighten all that out for you. Hathaway: If he will. EIe lms : If you're not able to . . . strikes me that if Angleton isn't going to sit down and talk to you about these things, which is part of the Agency's historical record, I would recommend that Ken McDonald ask the 18