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14 CONFIDENTIAL 3. Juma Oris launched into a harangue about the iniquities of the British media. Secretary of State made it clear that he was not prepared to comment on or discuss any question of the censorship of the British Press. Bula expatiated helpfully over Zairian problems with the Belgian Press. Bula and Ugandans tried to insist that there was " no problem " over the British community. Secretary of State disagreed: the British community were under stress and reassurances were required. 4. Ugandans also mentioned question of trade, by which they appeared to mean refusal by British firms to grant credit facilities. Secretary of State said that official and commercial indebtedness had also to be considered: he was willing to send teams to continue dialogue on compensation and to discuss spare parts for military equipment. 5. At conclusion of the meeting Bula said he would be briefing Amin at 9.30 tomorrow morning and that Secretary of State would be invited to audience with Amin at about 9.45 or 10.00 a.m. 6. This was not an easy meeting. Bula was altogether too glib in assuring us that there were " no problems " and it was clear that Ugandans had no Presidential authority to give any firm assurances, either over Hills or on other matters. The Secretary of State made it clear that without such assurances, he was not prepared to give any ground. Document No. 12 RECORD OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE FOREIGN AND COM- MONWEALTH SECRETARY AND PRESIDENT AMIN AT 10.30 a.m. ON 10 JULY, 1975, AT THE COMMAND POST, KAMPALA Present: The Right Hon. James Callaghan, M P President Amin Mr. J. P. I. Hennessy, CMG, O BE Citoyen Mandungu Bula Nyati, Zairian Mr. A. H. Campbell, CMG State_ Commissioner for Foreign Mr. T. McNally A f f a i r s Mr. T McCaffrey J' J. u m a O n s M m i s t e r f o r Foreign Ait airs Minister of Interior Minister for Cabinet Affairs Chief of Staff After opening courtesies President Amin embarked on a 35-minute rigmarole couched in moderate terms but covering most of the complaints he had made about the British over the last year or so. He started with tributes to President Mobutu and Kenyatta describing both of them as brothers whom he loved and respected. He said that he had asked President Mobutu to offer mediation in this situation rather than Kenyatta because it was President Mobutu who had been the first African Head of State to help him after he took power in 1971. He was extremely grateful to President Mobutu for giving him good advice and particularly for sending Commissioner Bula to explain that advice personally. He fully accepted President Mobutu's views. CONFIDENTIAL