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CONFIDENTIAL 21 Question: Relations with Uganda? Mr. Callaghan: I think we have got to work at relations with Uganda and there will be a long period of convalescence but this release foreshadows the possibility of improved relations. Question: Can you describe the atmosphere between yourself and General Amin? Mr. Callaghan: Yes, the atmosphere was calm. He told me he thought the mission was going to be a success because I was from Wales. He expounded his philosophy and his thinking to me. I indicated some of my views and then we got down to business. Question: Congratulations for your safe return from considerable danger. Now as General Amin has publicly congratulated Hitler for killing 6 million Jews and admires him greatly, do you really think one can now understand a little bit better the citiaens of Rhodesia for not wanting an Idi Amin under any circum- stances. Mr. Callaghan: That question is too involved for me to answer at this time of night. Question : Was anything else discussed other than Mr. Hills? Mr. Callaghan: Between the President and myself? No, although we had a long ride to the airport together and we did then discuss a great many questions but he said he wanted that to be a private conversation between us and of course I respect that. He drove me himself in the car and we roamed over a number of subjects that he wanted to talk about. The only actual decision that I have taken is that we should send a team out to discuss the questions I have already outlined. Question: The question of indebtedness is that going to . . . Mr. Callaghan: Yes, that will certainly be taken, that is to say the indebted- ness to British companies and of course to British citizens and there is also a Governmental indebtedness. Question: This is in no way personal but do you really think for example that Hitler should have been congratulated for anyone he did not kill? Mr. Callaghan: I am not here to discuss Hitler or anything else. These questions are simply not helpful at the present stage. Question: Aid, is it likely to be increased at all? Mr. Callaghan: Questions of aid don't come up while we are discussing questions of indebtedness. CONFIDENTIAL