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~ -_ ’ “7 : , . , # U. S. Penitentiary Alcatraz, California act. f Fane 13, 1962 ve a. an inmate of the U. 8. Penitentiary, Ay _ \Alcatraz,Island, Ug Ornia was interviewed in the presence of. -.. Arthur M. Dollison, Associate Warden, United States Penitentiary, -- Alcatraz Island, California at that institution., He was initially . advised that he need not furnish any information and if he did, ~- same could be used against him in a Court of Law. He was advised as to his rights to consult an attorney. No threats or promises. - were made to him. ae ae Be vise that on May 51963 he was released from the Tre ent Unit at Alcatraz and returned to the main cell area. At that time he began to think about and lookipg for ways to break out of Alcatraz. It was genera owledge among the in- matés that-above thé cell blocks there were some eight (8) ven-' tilator holes to the roofing which had not been used in several. — . years. These holes had been covered up, however, it appeared that the one above cellblock "C" had been cemented up according: to information among the inmates. . When painting in that area about 9 to 10 months ago, he noticed that the lid covering this - ventilator hole to the roof was not cemented up as he originally had heard. He believed then that it was possible to break out -_ that way. Around this time plumbers were working in the utility corridor which separates the ¢CéIIs in "B" cell block. This cor- ridogRcontains all of the plumbing facilities which lead into the back of all of the cells in that block. After the plumbers had | finished working, (aD vas instructed to clean the refuse from the utilities corridor. This utilities | cor 8 approximately 3 feet wide and extends to the roof of he building. While cleaning the floor of the utilities corridor, was scraping up some material while on his hands and knees, Underneath a cement support, he noticed something wrapped in an oil paper. When he opened it he found that it contained some rusty saw bliad e pieces of files, all makeshift and _ whié evidently, from their dondition, been secreted there for some 10 to 20 years. le erial where te had . located it. He mentioned Jo lin, an inmate having cell _ #152 in Block "B". He had become acquainted with John Anglin previously when they were both in the Florida Penitentiary in Raiford, Florida about 1952. When discussing this with John _. Anglin, it was apparent that he was already aware of the possibility os a * J -_ |