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eat oe... ... he has pena’ in isnate: 492: et this ution for a sunber of and was seeviously | Bo ae , The liens leneten'’ i iatorvigwed on June 18, 19624 tek confined to Alcatraz, He stated that ore the pest * has heard superous janates ef both Leavenworth asd Valcatres roe @iscuss the possibility ef escaping from Alcatras, Me stated ~~ ‘ . glmost without exception all the iwsates he had talked to are ‘am agreement that it is virtually impossible for an imate e 7 _ to escape from Alcatraz unless he has sone pitside help, --- ‘mrreant which is extremely fast, who eould pick up the inmate on shore or in the water pear the ee ee eens &@icatraz shore, He stated the water that surrounds Alcatraz 3 is extremely daagerous and that personally tested the . stated he had kacen the ANGLIN Brothers, but be had not been closely associated | - With them aad was is ao way involved ip any escape plan that they had considered in past years. He stated that if he was planning an escape he would corafide in mo one else and this has been his policy over the years in his criniaal . aetivities. He stated he had not nova the ANGLIN brothers | =e sppeared | ia the paver foliow ’ e well enough to have discussed any escape plan with them if he had wanted to. Me stated he has heard ao reports of any escape plan by the ANGLIMNs while they were at the U. 3. Peaitentiary, Leavenvorth, although they had atteupted to escape froe this inetitution, He stated he did aot kaow who had been closely associated with the ANGLIN brothers at Leavenworth or Alcatraz, ES... he has been fe assigned to the hospital at this institution for several years and that he had sot been acquaiated with the ANGLIN brothers when they were at U, S, Penitentiary, Leavenworth, He stated he did not recognize their photograph when it Owing the escape frow Alcatraz and when at Leavenworth, «- Usb