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FD-302a (Rev. 10-6-95) 279A-WF-222936 SUB LEAD AND SUB USAMRIID Continuation of FD-302 of [| » On 02022004 , Page 5 - out on one of the provided schematics of the buildings where [| thought they found the spores. When asked if. _]coula identify the areas where L_] routinely worked, [J pointed out places on the building schematics where [__] generally worked during his time at USAMRIID. ked if] had ever used the hot areas of tha ulTaing| | and that had never visited the hot does not know where room was and[__|never needed to When asked if people piggy-backed in and out of hot areas at USAMRIID, [___Jlassumed that the answer would be yes because people routinely piggy-backed going in and out of most rooms at USAR . Piggy-backing occurred routinely in areas being worked in. figured that if people piggy-backed in non hot zone areas figured they wouldn't change their habits while going in and out OL the hot zones. [was asked how s one could remove select agents from hot areas covertly and id] could identify anyone who might have talked about removing select agents or who might try to remove a select agent out of a hot area. opinion hat({__]felt that, overall, security was lacking at USAMRIID. had never visited hot areas and does not remember if anyone talked or joked about it felt security was a joke and that a al was placed in € trust-worthiness of the employees and felt that anyone could walk out with anything if they really wanted to. There were no x-ray devices to screen _ ingoing or outgoing people or baggage. Once a person is assigned to USAMRIID they receive a computer controlled access card. The access cards were not color-coded according to access level. Often, access cards were lost, borrowed or shared by workers when they need to go in and out of areas when they didn't have their card with them. For example,[-_]heard people offer to lend their access cards wh y needed to go out to their car or go to a snack machine. believed that personnel did not take security measures very serious at USAMRIID. However, [ _]was not aware of any theft or attempts to steal select agents from the hot areas. was not aware of anyone who said they might make a select agent for use in improper fashion. ro ees) OQ