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j t crea smipdecatt H a AE PE CMT t a BS Ete someone said, it was five months’ leave that he had; and after that a medical examination, 7". > we , FE have been asked a number of ques- tions about the private contacts of Burgess and Maclean. Many of them I cannot answer, because I do not know the answer. But this I can say. It was as a conse- quence of this which led us in 1952, fol- Fowing on the examination which, quite Office at that time, were trying to get was evidence with which to confront Maclean as Fuchs was confrontéd with evidence~ noi compicie evidence, but enough evidence to have a chance to get him to confess more, | ent eh ee, As 1 understand it, thé trouble about Maclean was that there was not anything like the amount of evidence to enable. him to be treated on that subject as ’ prer i a ee f ‘ $607. rorner Bats Office, T NOVEMBER 195$ Offciols—Disappcarance 1608. i ; - 4 (Tue Prime Minister) warts ee ow: Sightly if T may say so, was set in tralay * i ota ed ee Cairo, in May, 1950, that is to say, until y the previous Goverament, t adopt. ; C . oe ae be had been 18 months in Cairo.: . . these whole series of measures which we 5 ae beiag _ Several people have said tonight that have taken. 2 cu. lactlogae J Re 0? on the behaviour in Cairo was so bad. There I was interested to watch the mood af : 4 ; , had been the drinking bouts, which the the House this afternoon as my right hon’ f oo. p ania sight hon. Member for Blyth described Friend described those measures—the. é - oo with a wealth of detail. 1, of course, did “ positive vetting,” as it iscatied. Persons | wor satnihelia nies Se not know about them at the time. Iwas ally, I think it is right, and 1 think it is. = - a0, .. not in the Government. 1 make no come inevitable. But I do not pretend that FF BR DR ARS pe gS laint ; there is no reason why J should. like it very much-—gomg talon to the -3- ent ene treme veral right hon. and hon. Members tutor of someone and sayin «What did j. a eo have asked why afier all that he was you really think of So-and-so when he. ¢ f ee Bot dismissed the Service, That is ao Was in your college at So-and+40?™ At is } g* £ ne arguable proposition, and I have no doubt very disaprecable un the ordinary British 7 : a that it was weighed very carefully in the jnsiinct. But { think we just had to do: F. pe wpa por. Forcige Office at the time. ° . 007 that m 7 eat as are a il - eT I am not going to say what I would - a tt gg oe “2 Ph vesheeitinst : pd “f ; have done if 1 had been Foreign Secre-__ _Mr. C, Pannell BT 7 oe tary and had had to take this decision. The Prime Minister: I hope the hon. Bee roan ie I think that it would have been an apafl- Gentleman will not inferrupt me, unless bee an sae { o ingly difficult decision to take. The House it is very important. Let me get on a ¢ - must remember, in all fairness, that up to. fittle further and § will then give way. : pote ene ee that time there was no hint or the re- Tam sure that J shall be able to finish’ nani i mMotest Suspicion of ireason. or of anything tonight—not like the other night whee 2 a ae | remotely resembling #. Therefore, what J covid n (: but that was my fault. i203 be. ne } the House is asking us fo say is, was it » What r wae sa a was That hk. p 3 toad wrong that this man who had a brilfiant . yay Saying : if. . this the minimum we had to do, and Bes : a record should be given a second chance? Y . . ¥ 7 . . . , also the maximum, in fact, that we could a a rot It is a subject on which I should hate to do within the existing law. And therefore- Q * ors 3 be dogmatic in the absiract now, just T believe that we eve acted nehtl in f : Toga looking back on what has happened since, 4 Coc what the Ho ad wich .. es. Fras. I believe that there are a great many ‘Y° SPirito © House would wish, aa re employers who would take on # man a Now let me answer another question. . to tr second time. I have known in regiments that I was asked. There is no reason to ye Boone 1 ES somebody who had a pretty bad Bg and = suppose, T am told, that there is any sr rns who, perhaps, lost # siripe as a fesuli.. connection between the departure - of. i} aa! But he may come back not so long after Burgess and the defection of Otto John: , ¥ poe and prove himself in action with his That does nat mean to say that we kaow, i ¢ re: comrades. pu 38 as ate everything about these things, but that is @ Biawie dees bf 1am not asking the House to judge this. OUT information. I was asked also some: a ores i -—thank God I do not have to judge a— 1B which is more important—and I Bang Food and all [ can say is that 1 think # @ think that we must get this clear if we. 7 oe is JN "| sather harsh to say that there is nothing C#9—why was not the Fuchs treatment es. t - to be said at all in favour of giving any- applied to Maclean?) My answer, after. ae Z. oe j body a second chance. I think that is Claborate researches, is that 1 think it was fe aie eee Ie & doctrine that this House should hesitate @Ppled to Maclean in exactly the sams. , POMS eet f..st.. about before it lays-it down. As for Way. As I understand it, what the 3 e- an nie his leave, it was pot three months, ag. Goveroment at that time, the Foreign : . upDiz ~ ; oo ede Le : Coe ew et ~ : . Ce Spee walks one a ete eng Rae ge Mh rt eS ee p. eee Pr Nis File eo ne tae thelr, hae Rt er ee ir gir ieee: noes aa . . .. tr eas: PE tess : ae ra) Serssrikiienon . ‘tik . | _. 3 a . . 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