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AMEND. 4 MIGRATORY LABOR LAWS 379 Senator Murpnr, I see. And so far, at your request, those fun have been withheld t . Mr. Cuavez. That's correct. ; Congressman Hacen. Cesar, I'd like to ask You some questions, and I want to say that I think there have been errors made on both sides of this dispute in Delano, and I think there have been acts of -Yiolence on both sides which are regrettable. But ¥ think there’s also been very little clear statement of what the dispute is about. | Now, as I understand it, and, of course, you Joined the strike after it got atarted f Mr.Cuavez. That's right. ; ; ; Congressman Hacen. Well, you're asking an economic wage in- crease, and you're also seeking Tecognition as sole bargaining agent for the farmworker, correct? . Mr. Gpavez, The sole bargaining agent with those growers with whom wohave a contract, or rather, a strike, 7 Cong@ssman Haczx. Now, let me ask you two questions. Let’s Say yous wage demands were granted tomorrow. ou'd still be on strike Bocuse recognition ? Mr. Cravez. That’s correct, Congressman Hacen, Now, let’s say that you got recognition but no Wage increase. Would you settle for that? Mr. Ciavez. I don't think that would be possible, Congressman. I think if we had recognition, we would automatically gain a wage increase. I don’t see any reason to believe otherwise, Congressman Hacex. All right. Now, let’s try to find out what recognition implies. Are you asking these growers, and literally there are thousands of them in the State of California, although there are not that many in Delano obviously, are you asking for a union shopt Mr. Cuavez. If J may, I maintain the position, when the strike Started, and if you'll give me this Permission, that I did not want to discuss in pnblie those things that we feel are ‘negotiable. We feel that if we have a lot of discussions about this, that it’s going to be twice as hard when we sit at the table. There’s going to be more emotionalism, and it will be renerally harder to get together with them. We are prepared to negotiate in most of those things that are now known ard are part of Inbor contracts, Congressman Flacen. Well, this is an economic sue, let’s face it, and you are seeking a union shop; are you not? I mean. you want every grower vou have a contract with, to make dues checkotfs, and every worker thar he has to belong to your union? Mr, Cravez. If possible; if we have enough strength to do that, we would want that; yes. Congressman Hacen. Now, one of the prime factual disputes is this, how many people you actually hare had on strike, and the grow- ers make the statement that actually very few people have gone on strike, that there’s a normal 5,000-man labor force in the grape pick- mg, and probably not over 300 or 400 left the job. Now, I assumeé you disagree with that statement. Now, can you prove your Position ¥ Mr. Cuavex$ Well, I most heartil disagree with that statement, On September 16, 1965, when the strive vote was taken by our associa- tion, there were close to 1,200 workers there. We have statements in mele ony