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te ae ee a rnin ro, The Washington Star JAMES G. BELLOWS, Editor what te . Qhand A Ag Of Jews an a oe aR ‘Spiro T. ‘Agnew, what would been president today had he tt van! ed as vice president in 1973 otter pleading no contest to a federal charge of tax evasion, is promoting his first oe ld 'Devition,” sisovel: about 0 fictional vice prevident of the United States. He was interviewed by Woshington Star Staff Writer William Delaney. ; estion: In the past ydor abd a fralt=haven’t in the past der 260 3 ‘when you've seen President Ford on ‘television or picked up the papers and thought, ‘My God,’ that so easily could have been me?’ ~. ‘ aires 4d eneuw: Aint on mew: sot $6 Agnew: N much in the past year and a half but originally, of course, immediately, after Mr. Ford became Pegi mt. | guess anyone under those reistatces may % ‘had that thought. - fo Q: Would you like to be where Ford is today? . A: I have mixed feelings about it. Of course, anyone who has ever been in nallersel-life hee tn he imntnmnstnd in atl PUOULGl in Has Lu Le BULGE oe au being in a position of national leader- ship. That’s the plus side. The minus side is that you forfeit just about all of.your private life. You spend liter- ally hours doing things that are ex- pected of a person in public office . that maybé to you don’t seem nearly -as productive of important as doing other things that you could be doing. Now I can govt my own day, my own schedule a lot’better than I could sh Tosser te esha 1:8. Wen 1. Was ii PUOUC IE. Q: In your book, as apparently in | your own experience, the juices of outrage seern to run over most deeply with what you refer to as the ‘nation- | al intpact media.’ which at one voint aon new Talks: if JOEL. ALLBRITTON, Publisher SIDNEY EPSTEIN, Managing Editor SUNDAY, MAY 23, 1976 A: I don't think that’s a fair inti- “mation. What you're referring to is ‘that I mentioned at this particular ypress dinner that that proportion ‘Reid. I think that's probably high. 1 ‘wouldn't say the national impact | media is 85 percent Jewish. But there tare people in very great positions of - tinfluence in the national impact ' “media, Far out of proportion to the . number of Jewish people in the coun- . In other words, you might say 50 ‘percent might be a pretty good figure : “among the ownership and the manag- | ing policy posts. "@: You're including non- Jewish media owners — the Allbrittons, the Pattersons, the Hearsts, the Scripps- Hnuarde and Knichts and SAV Case aye gaceee SNesepseee re é ‘ery. A: I don't call ajl those people national impact media. Let's first define what I mean. The three net- works, the two wire serv- ices, the two ‘pollsters and . their organizations, the . New York Times and the Washington Post and their ° overseas edition, the Inter- national Herald Tribune. And the news weeklips,. Time and Newsweek, and I think... Q: Time? Jewish? A: I'm now defining. ’m not saying all these are Jewish, This is what I call the high impact media. And when you iook around, aii. you have to do is check the real policy-makers and owners in that area and you find a much higher concen-- tration of Jewish people - than you're going to find in the population. For exam- ple, , Mr. Paley's Jew- ish. And this is not said in a . defamatory way. Mr. Julian Goodman, who runs NBC,, there’s a Mr. Leonard Gold- enson at ABC. Mrs. Graham of the Washington Post, Mr. Sulzburger of the . New York Times, you down the line in that fas' fan ant tact anith aurnar, ’ policy in the Mi EDWIN M. YODER JR., Associate Editor Avarcica: exercese occ ab lands, the my . West Bank of the Jordan the Golan Heights, the Gazz ~.” Strip, bringing about a po ship, but. go down to the managing posts and the dis- cretionary posts, you'll find that through their bright- ness and their agressive ness and their inventiveness — these are thar ven: : all terms I'm lauding for —- they have worked their wa i the media, in academic communities, the financial communities, in the founda-: tions, in all sorts of highly: ¥' visible and influential serv- ices that involve the public to have a tremendous voice. Now the reason I brought this out was I said how can these neonle be totally objective where Israel is concerned? I'm not talking - about Israel &s a religious : entity; I'm talking about ‘it . as a nation with which we have to deal in the sense the regional problems that are happening there.’ . Q: By pointing this out’ hope. te: tainly there was no busines: ‘ ! seenciatian with tha Arabs what .do. you E-Fed Bee res + 1 the United States’ poli up. Not only in | A: [ hope to point out that! view. is. East trip I did 30 because lice state in these areas, at tacking the civil population certainly in response t provocations. But what’: the difference betwee: , what the Arab kids were | doing in the Jordanian towr i and what our kids did ir Chicago? — : Naturally, sinc ‘you've begun saying this some have concluded tha ou're an anti-Semite _ Others who have known yot ’ for years say that’s abso : dutely ridiculous, but can’ ’ quite figure your motive un : Jess it has to de with busi ness, with wanting ta wo: _ potential: clients amon; Arabs. A: That's been an accu . sation that’s made, but thi of transparent fault with tha ‘ thesis is when I was in of ' Ifice, when it wasn't obvi iqusly to my advantage ti say these thirigs and cer I still took this point o When I did my Middl affected to a great deal by, felt the policy was so une gress of these my judgmerit is because it’s. not eyeo-h ed and it’s not consistent. that: the rest of the wor' con believe ue: the same €, the same was kind of criteria do not apply to Southeast Asia as are applied to Israel. — see no reason why nearly half af all the foreign aid this na- tion has to give'goes to Is- rael, except for the influ- ence of this Zionist lobby. And the strange thing about it is many influential Jew- ish people are getting vel ' Hy that wnter samest crit he ¥VECY UPSCe Wits iat. saw Times carried an article — to their credit -- pointi out the number of Jewish leaders who are disturbed about. the fact that Israel .the influence in the Cott} yen. I went to Kuwait and le. Our went to'Saudi Arabia and . e East in|. did net go to Israel. Just be $i cause I felt everybody wa: running to Israel, all th Congress, everybody w sight and I didn’t feel tha ght. 1 still have a ic ‘af Jewish friends, the sam ‘amount I've always hac Some of them are upse ‘ about what I'm saying and say, ‘Look, the trouble wit ‘the American-Jewish con ‘munity is it is ultra-sens . tive and. you've just got t eet over that.’ I didn’t hea any yells and screams whe i people were calling long bx man and Ehbrlichman th Germans. Yet, B'nai B'rit Anti-Defamation League : the first breath of anythin that is legitimate criticisn has now embarked on an pvan. af the Jewish co: