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Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL. EiToRVvitd WITH ever said anything to me about wanting to get P.W.a. out at Mine B and getting U.u.W. back. I heard that ontinue the wnion officials had some trouble with Elshoff over the contract and his wanting to get U.M.‘/. back. Before 1937 the P.U.a. seemed to get along OK with their own officials. Fila. did net seem to have any more trouble with crooked leaders than any other union, there are always some men in every union trying to get some- thing out of it. JI heard at this time there were some men in P.MsAe carrying stories to the Bosses about vhat happened in the union. I did not go to P.U.a. meetings because I lived out in the country and wider the agreement did not have to. I would attend election meetings and that was about all, There was n¢éver any question in my mind as to the dealings of Pidia. officials with union money, asscssments in P.M.A. were about the same as in any wion. From 1932 to 3927 I don't recall the U.Mi. ever picketing at Mine '3' nor do I remember any U.N. Literature being distributed at the mine. I don't know whethcr there were any men in the P.M.a. trying to organize for the U.u.W. Before the mine closed I heard some P.M.a. board rembers say they did not want the rire to close. There werc 12 men in the P.N.a. before the mne closec organizing for the U.if.w. they nevcr asked me to join over but I heard of their activitics, { don't recall their names now. I never knew about Elshoff giving any parties for U.N. officials or they for him. “J remember hearing about the contract running out in the Spring of 1937. I heard they had a temporary agreement, but never heard anything about back pay. JI was satisfied with the way our union officials were handling tais mattcr. The miners were mad about there beins no cortract but there were no fights or other trouble, J never heard anything about what the Co. had to say about the wage contract. "I did not go to any meeting the night before the mine shut down. J heard about it and about some U.N... men being chased out of the union. I worked on May 12, 1937, I did not know anything about the fact that there would be a strike on that day, J worked’all day and found out when I came up on top that the mine was shut dowm, J heard. the minc was closed because Elshoff wanted the P.u..i. men to join Ueles but they would not do that so they closed it down. I heard of cars being loaded short the dy the mine closed dorm, but I did not do this myself. "T did not sign-any petitions for either P.ti.oe, or Uli. the summer the mince closed down. "Tl. know nothing about the U.M... forming a new local the summer of 1937. , - 185 ~