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514 ORGANIZED CRIME IN INTERSTATE COMM The Covet. You came into the Purchasing Department as y a whet The Wirness. Correct. 1 didn't know any more about it— “amt The Cover. Hew did they happen to pick on you for that jot: ww The Witness. I don’t know, I am sure. wil i The Court. You were in the sales department. What was yon rave The Witness. Well, I was sales manager of the Turret Divi: ia, nine years in England under the sales manager of the English sung vos sh Motor Bodies, Limited. hae The Oounr. What? yas 4 The Witness. Briggs Motor Bodies, Limited, was the name ¢ ~ wh subsidiary. wet The Court. You spent nine years in London? ao The Witness. Yes, sit. J iv The Cover. When? Nine continuous years? ve The Witness. 1931 to 1940. yeu The Court. Just hefore the war? “ey The Wirxess. We had eight months of war. War waa declang \ . 1939. on The Court. You got out in the early days of the war? un The Witsxess. Vefore the Pity. IT get ont at an opportinie toe The Court. You must /fave merc friend uf mine, J SOUT The WITNESS. Tosenn Rennes The Court. The Amifassatior + The Wirxess. Sure. He was the one helped us to get out of der The Covet. He got out himself and Wilant went there. The WITNESS. Yes, The Court. Is he still there, ret? The Warxess, I believe he is. By Mr, Ganrer: Q. When did Mr. Cleary die and leave his jub over there+—A, UL | the exact date. Q. Well, when did you go to wurk there?—A. Early June. Q. So it would be sumetime in September or August that yau fmt tract?—A. 1 imagine so. Il am just guessing, surmising. 1 dent k date. Q. How did you happen—how did this Guniract happei ie rotee tion?—A. I don't recall now—-going through the files for some purp@ Q. Did you ever examine it}—A. I locked at it, saw whe it was Q. When was it signed?—A. I don’t know. Q. Is it dated*—A. I couldn't tell you. Q. Who signed it?2—A. I think Mr. Cleary signed it, if I rementa Q. Have there been any changes mude in the terms of this eoutrnt have taken over?—A. Not that I know of. Q. Did you ever see this order here, which is Grand Jury Exhibil never saw that. Q. Well, is that still good, that order?—A, As far as ] know. Q. In other words, you are still selling at those prices as set @ © of April 23, 19467-—A. Yes, Q. You have never countermanded that order or changed It in A. No. Q. Have you ever checked to see whether this contract was 4 oot poor contract for the Briggs?—A. Ne. : Q. Do you know whether or not they're losing money under that A. I couldn't say. . , Q. Do you know what the reason for this contract is?—A. Well. @ the material, I suppose. Q. What else?—A. Pardon? Q. What else?—A. Nothing that I know of. Q. Did you ever investigate to see who Carl Renda and Com Q. De you know who they are?—A. I know they are scrap m¢! that’s all. Q. Do you know how old Carl Renda is?-—-A. I have no idea. Q. Do you know how Jong he has been in the serap business ee