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9 CG 100-35635 _ * LINCOLN: studying the movement and I a have never seen two figures that were identical, Also, I will be frank with you, I simply don't know, KUP: Yes, that's understandable. JOEN: Mr, - LINCOLN: . One, one other thing. Just as a matter of acadeuice, The question of the word,. the use of the word university. ‘I may be able to clear up some- thing along this line, . Back in the 1860's and 76's, when most Negro colleges were estab. ished in this country, they alimest invariably called themselves universitiss, I think that this was probably to show their acpiraticn to become universities and probably to elevate at Least within their own minds what they thengelves were doing, To give you a concrete example, I teach at Clark College in Atianta, which was established in 15869 as Clark University, when it was really just a normal school at that time, They didn’t drop ‘the name university until 1940, I can give you ancther example. Claflin College in Scuth . Carolina, which ig a school much smaller than mine, calls itself Claflin University. So, I think, this ig perhaps, _¥ don't kaow Mr, BARNSTTE, but _ 2 35 = ee ee