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teltee with Dick Gregg several times after Dick Gregg broke jaf et at Pay Y being present at one conference of this kind between Howard and Dick at Willison's Ranch, northeast of Pewhuska, where Dick was staying at the ~- time. I did not hear the conversation between Dick Gregg and Howard, dut .. <j Bowerd later told, me Dick was-to stay hid and not eppear for the prosegs MS, am nh thn tet at Waword was ae “pets: “Hal he ‘wpowran $4 nur him ‘bed Bas 4 Sk. HUG taal eee aa Pauceeherwiel A eS, ey Ay ae ae OL Ye SS M *tq’Kansas to sérye his tire Te Lansing. Prfeon in" ‘Kanses.* aS add - cave: piel Cregg $50.09. “that Foward: "gave. pe tox, phat > oe ‘Weaver also tola me of ‘him giving Dick ‘Srees money ct .* easions. ~~ sie after getting these affidavits Howard ‘and I conferred and taikes the q : 36 a number of times and decided this second confecaton by. Ramsay. would : a) fee ‘would not hold water end that Razisey: ‘should be Ynduced to make .a-hett “4 ~ eet wel eseia Wa woilA ssa Hele: ‘ahnut thia aa T econld- not. get to" sees ieesind beataeta cial , satel alias tnittanl ried bad isd ar he os i oe aelf, and have hin’ do” Ite Howard and’T. agredd pon what 1ines. % 30% Hie Lossion . by. Remséy- vould | pave. to; FUR ‘and jater “Howard. showed pity ge 2 ‘\" mhird Confession by Ransey, mde "py Ramsey: ‘while in Leavenworth 5 ee ‘oP Third Confession was clong the lines Howerd and I had egreed upon, end Kas the’ most favorable to Hele's interest of any Rersey had thus far mede. i After raceiving this Third Confession, Carl Neaver took Matt Willioma, a ' Govettinent: witness,-on-@ long tour, ineluding [-nver, Colorade Springs, .. “Sand” when he returned ‘Weaver told me he had. secured from. Mett Wiiliens titers which T. have’ read,’ Wheréin Matt, WLM abs, stated ‘thet, ; dé, bed given againat Bele’ and’ “Remsey. was falas, and, that he,- W214 bedn Persuaded by. Government Agents to ive this false avidence agatust Hele 5 a Ramaey ty” obia Agents getting, Bia,” Wiliians,, ‘drunk,’ / Bhowihg "hs ‘gs p06 Be x wes lodged in Oklohoma State “penitentiary at tralester, oxla:, Apri "1928, and Howard saw me quite often after that. Ernest Burkhert was in’. 0. prison when I arrived. Howard brought me tioree typewritten pages of Burk- eae hert’s testimony in the Roan case end hed me make yencil notations of the ; . 2 changes Burkhart was to make in case he testified for the prosecution this . ~~ time against Eale. These changes were celculated to clear Hale, and I was. instructed to talk to Burkhart and tell nim of the eviderss egeinst him in the John Thomas Murder end the Mewie Fletcher Rape esses, exc tell hin'‘ttese oas@g would be pushed against him if he testified egeainst Hale, but aot eee _ 26 did as requested. Howard gave me this Trenscript Reecrd in yaly Paced Yahd I ssw end talked ‘to Burkhert, dnd he agreed to do as Boy a hea putHined. / Ernest Burkhart wes given thece three psgee ae - ‘o Be ae tT know, should heave it now with the proposed ne a* fey oo: has agreed: with me, at- Howard's request, +o follow his attorney? B ree “actions 7 “whether he is to testify or skip out of the country, anc furtoer hes agreed o> ade ee aa 19 @ Foes trial ut over, if Hale is iried on -he Bill Smith eczse, tak: eee Aprselt, an AUS, C598, z Wd E ai Howat shee Boouréd eats! ‘cid