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which handled ~ among other things - zoning appeals. As a consultant, periodically MATZ testified before this Board, During the period he also knew J, WALTER JONES as a social acquaintance, During the period 1952 - 1966, MATZ never gave any imoney as a direct kickback. He gave a $500 political contribution to AGNEW when AGNEW was to run for position as "-Sounty Executive. Payments were made between 1962 and 1966 ‘to JONES ang .MATZ has no doubt that part of the money given JONES during this period was in turn given in part to AGNEW, He said at a Christmas outing in 1962, AGNEW made a state- ment to-the effect, "Wetve got.to make money right after the election". AGNEW in November 1962, was elected County Executive for the County of Baltimore. During one meeting where he, JONES and AGNEW were present, AGNEW said, You are not an engineer, but "the-engineer", It is assumed that the implication being fhat AGNEW knew that MATZ would work and .make kickbacks to JONES and ultimately‘to AGNEW, : > During the period 1952 to 1966, MATZ said that he gave five percent of his consulting contracts to JONES, He said that he personally was involved. in collecting other monies which was delivered to JONES, and accordingly, did not like the idea | that he had to make kickbacks on his firm's contracts. He said during the period 1967-68, when AGNEW was Governor, he had to kick back five percent when he was a consultant involving designs, He gave back 23 percent for survey type of consultation and 1/8 percent of the fee on other types of consultation, He said. on June 17, 1968, at 2:00 p.m., he met SPIRO AGNEW in the office of the Governor in Baltimore, Md., and turned’ over to him $20,000 cash which was the first occasion that he gave AGNEW money directly. He said here that AGNEW never asked for money. He said there was absolutely no doubt that he and AGNEW knew it was kickbacks for State contracts he had taken. He said as a- matter of fact all of the kickback money that he personally paid was kickbacks on his fees where he’ was a consultant. Further, that all of the contracts were federally funded, He said he wanted to pay the $20,000 cash because he wanted to "get the credit myself", He said that the next payment he recalled was in around February 1969, when he personally went to the temporary office of the Vice President in the basement of the White House: and turned over to AGNEW what he thought was $11,000, and told AGNEW that this completes my obligation. He then said that his personal notés indicate that the amount was $9,500, however, his personal recollection of the amount was that it was $11,000, He beldived that the money consists of all $100 bills. He said ~ 6 «=