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meen ise ER NaS 6100 ° AUN-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES Mr. Kunn. I can answer your question. Mr. Starnes, All right. Mr. Kunw. Do you have to be a Catholic to go into the Knights of Columbus? Mr. Starnes. J do not know. Tam neither a Knights of Columbus nor a Catholic. Mr. Kuun. All right, that answers the question. Mr. Srarnes. Now, then, I want to know if this witness, who says that he is the head of a political organization in this country, can say whether it is true that his organization excludes from membership Negroes and Jews? Mr. Kuun, We never exclude them—~ Mr. Starnes, Do you exclude them ? Mr. Kun. We do not take them in. Mr. Starnes, You refuse to take them in? Mr. Kusn, Right. Mr. Starnes. Therefore, if the political philosophy of the bund became the dominant philosophy of the United States of America, Jews and Negroes would not have any right of representation in this country # Mr. Keecan. I object to that question. I believe in a decision of the Aaupmeie Court of the United States with respect to a colored citizen af the Southern States who tried to become a member of the Democratic Party, where he was excluded, and appealed his cage, the Stasis Court upheld the exclusion. The Democrats have already done that. Mr. Starnes. May I say that one of the members of that race is 2 Democratic Member of the House. . Mr. Krrean. I was just referring to the fact that that prineiple has already been upheld by the Suna Routt. My. Srarnes. I am merely trying to establish what the purpose of this organization is; I am trying to ascertain the true purpose of this organization, and I am trying to ascertain, through the leader of the organization, whether he says they have a right to become a political element in this country, organize a political party to exclude others. The Cuamman. All right; let. us proceed. Mr. Starnes. That is all for the time being. The Cratrman. Mr. Voorhis, vou had some questions. Mr. Voortus. This paper which counsel objected to ceiitains notices to which I would like to call attention: It has two notices signed by Fritz Kuhn in it, and it was photastated hv the Library of Con- gress, and that is the paper in which reference is made to taking over the leadership of the Germans in America appears. Now I would like to ask you this question, Mr. Kulin. Suppose the bund succeeded in organizing an effective political party, such as you had in mind here, what would be vour answer to this question: would you, in connection with its work, use the same tactics that were used in other nations—— Mr. Kur (interposing). Mr, Cltaininan, I think—— Mr. Voornis (continuing), By other German organizations? Mr. Konwn. That question is very unfair. Mr. Voornis. Well, you can answer it “Yes” or “No.”