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toa wreuevi WAKER, LOMeBLIC espionage or internatio Spores Mr. Brennan. I’m speaking et counterespionnee hal esbretagyy Senator Banzg.. You're speaking of counterespionage in the of n spy of a forei m country operating in this country, and you wen trying to counter him! Is that the counterespionage you're spenbirg Mr. Buarxan. Yeo sir. tobe done Baxes, a that’s the only case you knew “black bag” jote r. Barwnan. Subsequently, after I to Bureau head . I learned there were some “ Tack bag” Phe which were directed a what I would have to term domestic subversive groups, and some domestic extremist organizations, but they were quite limited. Senator Baza. How many “black bag” jobs were done in the course of your tenure at the FBI? 7 ; Mr. Brennan. I would have no ides, sir. it sooner Baxez. Well, you've got to have some idea. Was it 1, or was Mr. Bamenan. I do not think I would be capable of commenting. I do not have that range; I did not work in that field where it was fon erally employed as a technique, Senator. : Senator Baxes. How many do you have knowledge of f Something "Mr, Brew waw, I don’t think’ Pm in . naw. I don’t thin in & positi tha, Senator position to be able to answer nator Baxzx. Do you have any knowledge on that subj Mr. Brennan. Yes Jin a general range, mubject | Senator Baxen. Then I would like to have that geners! ra The Cxarman, Senator Baker, we have figures, Would you like to have them! We have documentary figures. Senator Baxer, I would like that, and I would impression too, Mr. Chairman. © Cuamman, Very well. What was your impression! Mr. Brennan. Can we get a given time frame? Senator Baxun, No. That you have knowledge of. r. Brennan. The overall impression on my 26 i Senator man. The ¢ Pp y 26 years in the FBIf r. Brennan. I would have to say—I would put it in possibly, of maybe 30,40, pani «iam Senator Baxrr. Did the FBI ever get caught t Mr. Brennan. I don’t think we did, Senator. Senator Baxen. Asa matter of fact, you didn’t. Mr. Brewnan. I never heard of anybody getting caught, sir. Senator Baxer. And the techniques involved—were they with the cooperation of the local police? How many men did it take? What techniques did you employ to keep from getting caught? . Mr, Brennan, I never engaged in one, Senator, so again, I would have to speculate on that, or speak from hearsay. . Senator Baxzr. Mr. Chairman, do you have some figurest bert? Cuamacan. Yes, I was just going to congratulate you, Senate use you have managed to our rebuttal and good speech ar * your questions all within 10 mintten a liken the with. nat ane WS Witte - i awa, Now, Iet mo just give these figures. These are 6,,.- Coat tac been supplied to us hy the Federal Lurean of Investiga- ey hase, at our request, been declassified. And I would like to tee Phen inte the record. ; ; ur iat 1p domestic subversive targets were the subject of at least «eenthes from 143 to April 1968. in additton, at least three domes- Le «nbversive targets wore the subject of numerous entries from Octo- ivr Hed to June 1966. Since there exists no precise record of entries, ac are unable to retrieve en accurate accounting of their number, but that is the best figure we have. . Senator Banker. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This final question, B{r. Hrennan, since my time apparently expired. Was your division the one involved in any surveillance of political figures at the Demo- + . ry Mar meee bee nbiana amwdibenin a 7 t PETC ATER LERL VUE POSES 1h LOW FE Mr. Brennan. Yes, sir. We developed all of the intelligence infor- mation relative to the activities of the dissidents who went out to Chicago to disrupt the convention. However, I don’t reca!l any time that any instructions were given to include surveillances of, as you say, political figures, Senator, Senator Baxer. Yes, I’m talking about the allegations end the charges that the FBI kept surveillance on Robert Kennedy and Senator Edward Kennedy and Martin Luther King, and « number of other political figures, and that, in fact, there was a communications link—I believe a telephone—from FBI headquarters in that city to the White House—even to the Oval Office. Mr. Brennan. I am not familiar with such surveillancea. But ic-— Senator Baxer. You're familiar with those allegations and charges! Mr. Brennan. No. As a matter of fact, I’m not. Senator Baxer. You've never heard them beforet Mr. Brennan. No, Not those ific ones. . Senator Baxer. Weill, generally, maybe I'm not describing it with exact accuracy, . . Mr. Brennan, I recall that there wes an Earth Day affair, which 7 believe Senator Muskic made a speech, or something, and I believe an FBI report dealt somehow with the Senator’s appearance on that occasion, But any information of that type was purely coincidental to the investigative efforts of the FBI which were basically directed at the activists who were involved in those types of movements, And anything related to political figures was actually coincidental. mator Baxer. I’m told I was wrong. It was not at the 1968 con- vention; it was the 1964 convention that I was referring to. Does that altor your answer at all! Mr. Brewnan, I had little knowledge of the 1964 convention. That Wag not coordinated out of the Domestic Intelligence Division. It is - my recollection that that was basically coordinated by Mr. DeLoach. Senator Baker, Are you aware, generally, of the situation that I described in reference to the 1964 Democratic Nationa! Convention? Mr. Brennan. I’m aware in general, because the FBI personnel that were there at that time were phoning in reports concerning the activi- Vee of individuals and groups over which Domestic Intelligence Divi- tion had an intorest, | : Senator Baxme. I think I'm bei tely told to shut up. [General Ieaghter} nn na Poltaly a IY aie eo nk ‘ t La + wat. wipe, : “pl se By en Hae rh er te "4, . +