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ie eee - a _Mr. Apaus. Well, I think you can be assured that any such tech- niques in that area died with COINTELPRO in I971. tor Huppzston. That is comforting. wh og é Mey r os, Pe er a Mr. Apama. Yes. |; PML. Merv aermeciar Peet ting? Wwe CLienetas TO Lain thom £40 WII BA {Pi emuig . £11118 A ed FRHMBMFE, 2 USE Lee forced in and out by virtue of votes and other committee business. am not sure which Senators have had their opportunity te question and which have not. . ‘ Senator Goldwater, were you next! Senator Gotpwarez. I will not take much time. I apologize for not having been here in the last 2 days. It going well, I have heard. We have heard testimony regarding the voluminous records, I believe 500,000, maintained by the Bureau. How in your view have these records come to be kept! For what purpose have they been kept, and has the Bureau ever undertaken to destroy or prune down any of these reeyrust i Mr. Apamws. We have a number of records. We are a businesslike organization. We record our activities. And as the staff knows, they had access to a lot of recorded material that is the product of what the FBI has done over the years. When we conduct an investigation, we maintain the. results. We do have destruction procedures where, after the passage of certain time limits approved by the Archives authority, we are allowed to destroy certain files. Other information we are required to put on microfilm. There is a regular standard pro: cedure for the destruction of FBI files. This has been suspended, of course, during the initiation of these hearings and our files probably have increased considerabiy during this period because we are not al- lowed to destroy anything since the committee commenced its hear- ings. But we do have procedures for destruction of files. They are approved by the Archives, A problem inherent in that is maintaining information. What should we keep! What should we obtain during an investigation ? What should we record? In the past, we have been pretty consistent in recording everything we thought was relevant to the investigation. The passage of the Privacy Act put certain restrictions in. We cannot collect or maintain anything unless it is relevant to an ongoing matter of which we have investigative jurisdiction. But beyond even the Privacy Act, the Attorney General instituted 8 guidelines committee in this area that we have been meeting dill- gently with every day and hopefully have tried to avoid this idea that we are for no good reason maintaining gossip, scandal, unneces- sary, and irrelevant material. So once these guidelines are in some sort of final form, not to be adopted. then the Attorney General has indi- natal ¢hat ha te waning te tabn 16 wen mith tha cwarians sannrnomnaAns RATA BHI AED 1D AU SP RO PR LAE FO Ware ig Dares committees to get their input into it, after which they will be published. Senator Gotowater. Well, now these dossiers, I think you can call them that probably. Mr. Apaus. I prefer not to, but. J accept the fact that that is how they are referred to. Senator Gotpwarenr. What do you call them? Mr, Avante. I call them files. To me, I guess we al! have our little hang-upe, but to me that is usually used in some sinister connotation. - It is probably not to you. But I will use whatever terminology you meee de wn WW ALi W&EOL LO USt O Ws. Write ys is, a