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on wh PE es, Moree, ype. 1 ’. Geli Snead hee ele ee The Cuamman. I am told by the staff that this summary is accurate, and the only other thing contained was that these women had affilia- tions with an organization that had protested the war in Baltimore. Mr. Apama. I think there were some other items. The Cuatrman. That is the only other association that we have been able to determine. Apparently the women’s liberation move- ment is no longer under suspicion by the FBI and the case has been closed. What happens when the case is closed? Are those women’s names still left in the files? Are they forevermore contained? Mr. Apama. Yes. The Crrammman. In the system? Mr. Apama. Yes. The Cuauman. Pretty soon you will have us all in the system. If there is no way, even after surveillance has been terminated, to elimi- nate the references of individuals through the files of the system, you will one day have us all, won't you! . Mr. Apams. Well, I would say as part of a normal business record, when we do make a judgment that an organization should be investi- gated and we investigate it, and then we find activities but we make @ conclusion that there is no additional problem here, this is a record of our official action. Now, if we destroy it, at what point do we get into a situation of being accused of doing things and then destroying things to keep from showing what we do? The critical thing is whether we are able, and we do set up safeguards, where information in our files is not misused at a later date, and that is what these guideline committees are allabout. — The Cuamswan. Do you have any idea of how many names of Americans you keep in your files all as a result of the cumulative effect of all these surveillances in all of these cases?” Mr. Apaus. No; I don’t. The Cizinwan, It’s in the millions, isn’t it! Mr. Apams. We have 614 million files. The Cnatrwan. You have 614 million Blesf Mr. Apams. Yes, sir. The Cuamman. And there are surely names of more than one per- son typically in a file, aren’t there? Mr. Avaxe. But it is a rather large country. _. The Cuatmman. That's a large number of files to start with, and if you have multiple names in them, you are quickly up into 20, 30, 40 million. Mr. Apamus. Right. But many of these files are applicant files. They are not all subversive files. They are not al] criminal files. We have a million crimes of violence each year. There is a million people. The Cyaan. I wish you had more time to spend on those crimes of violence. Mr. Apame. T do, too. The Crairsan, There we agree. Mr. Apams. Right. The Cuatruan. What I worry about is this. You say there’s no way to know when to close a file. These were surveillance files, originally opened to determine whether organizations might have subversive connections. There are names in these files, so some demagorue comes along and says that the name of some public figure is contained in a