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wea O wt CONFIDINTIAL NY 100-161445 a sudden, one dav, April 12, 1958, everything that peoole have been doing for four months telling peosle to come to Chicago, all of a sudden on that date, it becane illegal and people sometime think that we're on trial ‘for kicking pips or spitting on the sidewalk or threatening to Fill (uh). I doen't “now how manv of them were there. [alev, all those other people. ‘le ain't charged with any of that stuff, “Je're charged with crossing state lines with the intention to incite a riot and a riot is defined by an act or threat of violence by one or more peonle in a crowd of three or more. Probably it's already hamened here about sixteen times and you wouldn't know it cause it's very (uh), it's a consdirecy after all. You know - secret, ‘Secondly, secondly (uh), conspiracy, you have it in vour heads watch all those orld ‘lar II movies. Consoiracv’s sometninnk you sit in a dark closet with a candle and you go osst, psst, psst. You know, and you look at all those bhlueorints and then vou figure it out. The (uh) night before we were arraigned last April, a year after, almost a year after Chicago happened, we were introduced to each other for the first time. Many of us hadn't met each other, hut that's (uh), that's the nature of conspiracy. Rut we had Nave Nellinger, a pacifist, if you're an antiwar movement, it's good to have at least one of them. ‘le sot Doctor John Froines, from Eugene, Oregon, a chemist. You can bet vour (obscene) you gotta have a (obscene) chemist. Pennie Davis, we got him in a trade with Hanoi Pose. He's a Rennie's the closest thing we got to an American. It was at a 4-H club. Tom Hayden, Serkebv, Jerry Rubin, I met him, Lee Weiner, he happened to stroll in the vark, fot thrown in, they had to have a local guy from Chicapo, and then, of course,. there was Bobby Seale. That was the most surprised of all. Bobby Seale didn't know (uh) till the day before he came to Chicago, that he was actually coming. The evidence against Bobby Seale was three lines out of a fifteen minute speech he gavein Lincoln Park one night and an airplane ticket showed he crossed state lines. That ‘vas more evidence than against some of the defendants, Sut you start to learn