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CV 176-97 DOUGLAS: Well, what do you HOFFMAN: I find myself experiencing courts and police stations and jail. DOUGLAS: Yeah, but you're not the only one; there are others. HOFFMANs Well, it's not a unique experience in this country. DOUGLAS: Some of them who don't predict that the system is falling down as you do, HOFFMAN: Well, suppose it's not so much our words, it's our actions. Well, we fell for example, what we did in Chicago was morally justified, giving the closed political system as it exists in this country, and there is no way of reforming that system from within so the fight has to be taken out into the streets. It was our intention when we went to Chicago to have our Festival of Life up in Lincoln Park, which is about ten miles away from the convention hall, : and, lo and behold, the Chicago authorities wouldn't let us sleep in that park, even though | people have been sleeping there for hundreds of years and wouldn't let us hold our alter- native festival because that obviously was viewed by them as a threat to their concept of law and order, the concept of power. And so it was necessary-for us to learn how to defend ourselves in the streets because that's : - where we were driven every night, and so we t- ran back. And we are thankful to the Chicago fa ws police for teaching us that flower children aaa have to grow thorns if they are to live. DOUGLAS: When you say we, who are you referring to? You mean all flower children? HOFFMAN: Well, we, the brothers and sisters who came to Chicago. We e* 8 @ We * @« ©