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CV 176-97 DOUGLAS: HOFFMAN: DOUGLAS: in the phone booth. I quess, black and blue marks, they just pulled me right out. So, uh es What is the thing that's going on That kind of stuff is going on. I know people like don't accept that. You know they say, well, that stuff ain't true. You know they watch what happened in Chicago, and they said it's not true, they must have been provoked. Something must have happened. The police aren't like that, And they're right. I mean the white, middle-class people know the cop is the guy who comes by and helps them fix a flat tire and keeps an eye on the house when they're away on vacation and they see cops on the Mod Squad and, uh, all these other shows, the FBI, and they’re all good guys. See, but, but what happened to us in Chicago is what's been happening to us for the last four or five years, certainly, and for black people for three hundred years in this country. It's nothing new. It's just that people don't see that reality and that's why we went to Chicago. We had to show our reality. We had to show that, uh, where we were relating to America was that we were living in a police state. On my block in New York, there are 20 police that patroi the biock, every singie day; and they grab kids and they put them against the wall, they ask them for identifi- cation, they arrest people for passing out leaflets, free food, everything. They blow a whistle when they arrest somebody, and half the hippies turn in their cards. Zing. And there's the Mod Squad right there, St. Mark's Place. Who are the hippies? Who are these people? Are they your people? Are they anybody's people? 15 ee a ne et