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tT you know, _ (illegible), but it OC 176-22 10 (Unidentified voice from audience: "I'm not cynical. I just want to know what youre doing that needs to be done. You're sitting here talking to a bunch of people who agree with you.") "I'll tell you something. Someone called me up at two a.m. in the morning last night and he didn't agree at all. In fact, we had to move pretty quick. I'll tell you, that would be weird cause people in Oklahoma agreed. | 6 possible, I mean, there are things that I don't understand. Seventy-five per cent of the people now favor immediate withdrawal from Vietnam in the country, according to the polls, and yet the Government doesn't move. Well, you know, I'm saying that, you know, it has to go beyond this, you know, petty little dialogue here, the people have to begin to move, That they can't learn any of the things that I wrote about in that book, about swiping, about living as an outlaw, about creating radical change in this country unless they do it. The only way you know what a pear tastes like is take a bite, that MAO's famous rock group from the East. And revolution fs the same way. If you want to know about it, you have to get in and work with the struggle, to work with the contradictions, you know, and fight and you can do it right, you can do it here in Oklahoma. JULIUS HOFFMAN is the judge down the street. Every political trial at Chicago takes place every day here. Because all trials are political. It just takes a lawyer with certain kind of vision, you know, to see it as a political trial and it takes certain kinds of people who identify and recognize that all trials are political, you know, and that the institutions of the courts are not there for justice, but are there to protect the power and property of people who already have it, and you start looking around like that and (illegible) all the early misfits, you know, we were taught in schools, we can start to struggle, you know, we got to do it. (Illegible ques- tion asked in audience.) Huh? I've got the flu, so, 12