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\ ia , Abbott Howard Hoffman. . } not news, It's the deliberete political decision to keep the American people ignorant and those people who program the stuff that we see from 7:30 or 8:00 until 10:00 or 11:00 ofclock at night which means the time when most Americans are watching television are deliberately being kept from knowledge of what's going on in their country and the world because the corporations know if you tell people what's happening they'll react (unintelligible) mechanisims for participatory democracy, People know how to react when they find out they're being abused and so the only answer is to keep that information from them and prime time programming does that very successfully. So (unintelligible) talking about the news and I think there's a lot of ways it can be improved but I think that when you talk about it you tend to fall into their trap and you start arguing with Richard (unintelligible) at CBS about how good their news is and thereby avoid the issue on- which they're most severely vulnerable which is what they're doing with @11 the rest of the time. Abbie Hoffman: As I was getting into learning about television from the corporation point of view, I stumbled across information that I don't think is known to most people that ABC for example (unintelligible) 60% of the television scts, 60% of the homes with television sets throughout the world, they...that ABC is responsible for perhaps most of the broadcasting in Latin America. Is this.....and, and if the news is concerned internally (unintelligible) imagine and I've seen the difference between Time Magazire here and the Iatin American Time Magazine for exeampe. Does the FCC is it involved or is this part of its jurisdiction or investigation, does this concern you that we control so much of television eround the world? Nicholas Johnson: well, of course it concerns me and what concerns me even more is that what is it we're doing in terms of representing our national image abooad. Whatever you may think of the Voice of America ani the United States Information Agency they are nothing compared to the motion pictures and television reruns that we're sending around the world as the face of America. You're quite right about ABC, we think of it here as the third network but in terms of world power, ABC - 6-