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b6 Jones to DeLoach memo 6-28-60 re; Dr. John C. Lilly b7C Captioned individual was interyiewed on June 21, 1960, by SA Crime Research Section, upon referral from the Director's Office. Dr. Lilly furnished the interviewing Agent with a letter from Mr. Julian B. Baird, Under Secretary of the Treasury, to Mr. Hoover. This letter is attached and introduces Dr. Lilly, a life-long friend of Mr. Baird's, who has a persnnal problem to discuss with the FBI. Dr. Lilly, a medical doctor, was born in St. Paul, Minnesota, on Jamuary 6, 1915,- and is a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania Medical School. Following his graduation he was employed in the field of medical research by the Johnson Foundation of the University ef Pennsylvamia (1942-1949). From 1949 to 1953 he was an Associate Professoref medical physics at the University of Pennsylvania. In 1953 he joined the Public Health Service and was assigned to the National Institute of Health where he conducted basic research on the testing of the intellectual capabilities of animals. He subsequently became interested in the abilities of porpoises and other types of fish to communicate among themselves and in their brain potential. In 1958 he established the Communication Research Institute in the Virgin Islands and he has done extensive work under grants from the Office of Naval Research, The National Science Foundation and The National Institute of Health. Dr. Lilly's problem concern d a meeting held at the Pentagon in May, 1959. This meeting was called in order that ranking officers of the Office of Naval Researeh, the Air Force and the Army could hear a briefing by Dr. Lilly on his work on the brain of dolphins. Dr. Lilly explained that the military was interested in this field inasmuch as research by himself and other scientists had established that by the use of electrodes placed in the brains of animals and humans the will could be controlled by an outside force. He explained that if an electrode were placed in the brain of a subject by merely pressing a button a scientist could completely contro the emotions of the subject. b7E He could make the subject experience great extremes of joy or depression, for example. Dr. Lilly stated that the potential of this technique in "brain washing' or interrogation or in the field of controlling the actions of humans and animals is almost limitless. He stated that our officials are aware that the Soviets are intensly interested in this field and that they are conducting extensive experiments and that their progress has roughly paralleled that of ours. At the meeting at the Pentagon in May, 1959, following Dr. Lilly's presen- tation of the results of his experiments. a classified film was to be shown. This film b6 was the result of the work of a pf the Sandia Conporation which, according b7c to Dr. Lilly, does work or the military and the Atomic Energy Commissionb7E Prior to the showing of the fiim, Dr. Lilly was asked to leave the meeting despite his protests,and despite the fact that he had been a speaker at an earlier portion of the meeting, he was not allowed to see the film. Dr. Lilly stated that at the time he did not have a 2