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SECRET 3 b1 (S) KAK:rs GUNDANG: (Cont.) not uh gain the overwhelming majority. In fact we have a coalition government in Namibia. And the ANc has always had this notion that they speak for the South African uh black majority and when it comes to uh the, the final stage of negotiations it will be only the ANc and South African government and the South African government will be talking about a total hand over of power to the ANc but all that has not materialized. Now what is happening in recent times is that the policies of the ANC, uh, the rhetoric of the Anc is now being scrutinized and in it's scrutiny the ANc is falling short and especially in this country in the scrutiny where the ANc's coming short is in it's relationship with uh the PLO, in it's relationship with uh, uh Colonel KHADAFy in, in it's relationship with FIDEL CASTRo. And, the question that Americans have been putting forth to NELSON MANDELA and the ANC is that uh if the ANC received assistance from these individuals or organizations in it's human rights struggle in South Africa, why did the ANC not question uh the human rights records of these organizations in their own countries. And uh MANDELA's been found wanting on, on those issues. KAPLAN: Yes. So was Tutu. However, RAFIK, uh, if I am allowed, let me ask you a direct question. You are one of the minorities living in South Africa of which the whites are now the mi.. minority. GUNDANG: Right. SEERET