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After setting the stage regarding the training program and the difficulties attendant thereto, Hawkins commented that in terms of the opportunities for going guerrilla: "We of the military staff realized that the Zapata swamp was isolated from the rest of Cuba, and if the force was unable to break out, they would not be able to take really effective guerrilla action." There then ensued an acrimonious discussion similar to what has already been reported with reference to the testimony of other witnesses who suggested that the Agency planners never had any ex- pectation that an organized movement into guerrilla status could be effected out of the Zapata area. Apparently Robert Kennedy was the one who jumped Hawkins immediately on this particular point stating: "The President and the Secretary of State would say they were amazed that these men were captured because they Ithe President and Mr. Rusk] felt they could get away by going guerrilla." Hawkins refused to back down, . however, saying that he was sure "that on more than one occasion" Mr. Bissell had specified to both the President and to the Cabinet members that the Trinidad plan offered - the opportunity for effecting a guerrilla movement whereas -