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Hudgins added that with regards to Billy himself, Billy has disassociated himself from him as well as the others who accompanied him on the original Libyan trip. Hudgins stated that with regards to the second trip that Billy made to Libya, he had originally understood that the original group was being asked to make the second trip along with him even though Hudgins stated that he himself would not have made the trip and that he subsequently determined from Gabriel Shalouf that Billy had told him that he did not want any of the others to go with him.