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May 25 you had authorized ucstiond. OF course, it was - Foreign Office knew, that service: Enew as well. AL INQUIRY of these unhappy and beastly in view of public appre ct inderstanding, there ‘ into the administra- nt, and promotion in -the That should inclyde the heavy burden thap fel! on of State in m times. ould be tmade Byza select _ some other suitbfe body. iso a case for examining iy the light of the Burgess vcidents and partly to be * security services were good. ‘not be a public inquiry. ‘eport be published. They ne divulgence of the secres counter-espionage, There sation by a Judge or Judges \B_& private report to # Both subjects might be ommittee of Privy Coun- ong both sides of the House vace that madé them speci- these matters. But there iry, The country would not ‘lout an inguity of some % an adequate field, for the ght to know that adequate 3 .aken, arising out of an as disturbing and worrying ING CONFIDENCE »MME - DUNCAN (Perth hire, C.) asked what con- - between Burgess and Dr. western German security ed to the Communisis in “zy to ensure that such a 'rgess and Maclean affair ‘a again, As long as. the for security at that time \ positions, he doubted if f Britain would be main- "AN (Coventry, East, Lab.) fending the Foreign Office had put it far deeper into t four years, this tissue of hs and contradictions was uld produce, then the im- “cover up was more sued than ever. <m of the Foreign Office but whether the reforms us ago had produced the years was, just about the inguiry into the effects ; which cut the Foreign he rest of the Civil Ser- snomous and badly under- . (St services of the Foreign , NED SERVICES SPEIR (Hexham, C.) said \st four years the security much maligned. It would ,nty if there was some adequacy of our intelli- seemed that they could uproved. OMNEY (Hammersmith, that the White Paper was i yet up something within <s in the Foreign Qffice, uy from their follicy and 1isjudgment and neglect, | Was an independent in? tkings of Foreign Office = ity services there would “SON, (Epsom, C.) said om the White’ Paper that ‘2 covering up by bureau- ‘the feeling that the wo jvlonged to the service. : 1 MACPHERSON (Stir- > abd supported the plea «the methods and sources the Foreign Service. Y NICHOLSON (Farn- 1e dlid-pot Fray Bran hava non the boreign service tor one weck. E LOYALTIES incomes MR. A. J. IRVE Liverpool, Edgehill, Lab.) said that too tense a loyalty to a department and to one's colleagues had been allowed to persist up to the point at which it, was incompatible with the national interest, and that could best be cured by an extension of the sources of recruitment to the department. LIEUT.-COL. CORDEAUX (Notti ham, Central, C.) said that the particular failure of the security services about Bur- gess and Maclean was bad enough, but it could not be considered in isolation, There should be an inquiry into the security ser~ vices ; the faith of the People in them had been badly shaken. Mr. Macmillan should reconsider the decision that an inquiry was Rol necessary. LIEUT.-COL. LIPTON (Brixton, Lab.) said that the two men, for reasons apart from the Official Secrets Act, had ved themselves unfitted for the Foreign Service, Did the Government have to wait for other information before getting rid of drunks or homosexuals or people who were admittedly unfitted by reason of character to have posts in a Government department? MR. DAINES (East Ham, North, Lab.) said that Liew.-Cot, Lipton had made a charge against Mr. Philby in a question. He owed it to the House to give the sources of the information on which that charge was based. LIEUT.-COL, LIPTON, after some other interruptions, said the statement had made concerning Mr. Philby on October 25, was quite a scrious one, and he was convinced that in making it he was serving the public interest by forcing the Govern- ment, and in particular the oreign Secre- tary,’ to provide much more information than had been provided hitherto, MR. NUTTING, Minister of State for Foreign Affairs (Melton, C.).—Will the hon. member be good enough to forward to the Foreign Secretary the evidence upon which he is basing his charges against. Mr. Philby ? LIEUT.-COL. LIPTON.—No. (Laughter) 1 am prepared to forward that information toa judicial member of the Privy Council who, it has been suggested, should carry out an investigation into the operations of the secret service. . When the yerbal niceties of the Foreign Secretary's speech have been examined. it will be found I am justified in not making a withdrawal at the present time. CONDUCT IN CAIRO MR. ROBENS’S CHARGES MR. ROBENS (Blyth, Lab.) said the public and many MP.s were sure that there was a close circle of people in the Foreign Office who covered up for their friends, How else could it be that a couple of drunks, a couple of homosexuals, well known in London, could for so long’ have occupied important posts in the Foreiga Office 2 (Cheers.) ‘The White Paper stated, of an incident that had occurred while Maclean was in iro, In May. 1980, while serving at his Majesty's Embassy, Cairo, Maclcan_was guilty of serious misc ct and suffered a form of breakdown which was attri= buied to overwork and excessive drinking. But what were the facts about this one case 2? He was not going to talk about a fight Maclean hat with an Egyptian guard oy the breaking of the tcg of a colleague while on a boating trip, Maclean and a friend, both in a drunken state, had gone into the flat of a girl who was a librarian at the United States Embassy in Cairo, ‘The girl was absent. They had forced their way in and taken all the drink there was available, They had then pushed a lot of the git's clothing down the | lavatory, smashed a table, knocked into the bath # heavy slab of marble fixed as a shelf over the radiator and broken the bath. 4 “SHOCKING »srare |. took em home. Did the Whi aper reveal half of that shocking a Os came anxictics, fears, misapprehens:o7 fusion Uere was a larger quesi« SAFEGUARDING LIBI POWERS OF SECU! SERVICES How far the continued) are: Pursuit of great security at the « essential liberties of the British (Cheers.) Some have said that Bt Maclean should not have bees \o escape. Under the law as to-day they could not have been from escaping unless a charge c. been preferred. No charge could | preferred, Would the House like that law Would the House agree that the |: allow any British subject to be de suspicion ? (Cries of “No 1"). to face these questions. (Chee: there is no evidence on which am charged would the House be wi people should be held indefinite! Police while evidence is collecte them ? In this case detention wi been justified. But who could whether Maclean was innocent o POLITICAL OFFENCES British justice over the centuries based on the principle that a m: be presumed innocent until he Proved guilly, Haye we got to aba principle ? Pethaps worst of all, are we to exception for political offences ? thing I would wish to see in thi is the security services: having: t to do some of the things which back to this country ai Svs given. six months’ Jeave of absence, .00r, Overs strained, over-worked gentl. .n, and was then given a job at the Forcigt Me Disgraceful behaviour of that kind by Maclean in Cairo, Washington, and this | . country should have been dealt ‘with year | ago. (Opposition cheers.) Shere should “be two inquiries. One should be into thé Foreign Office organizu- ion, its recruitment, and whether a closed circle existed or not, and whether covering up took place. The other inquiry should be in relation to security, SIR ANTHONY EDEN said that this had been a sad day for the Foreign Service and for this country, The reputation of the Foreign Service was part of our national tepulation, He agreed with Mr. Morrison that, whatever mistakes might or might not have been made, one thing was certain— that nobody at the Forcign Office at any time covered up any form of disloyalty to the State. If any mistakes were made, they were not of the kind even remotely tinged with disloyalty. The suggestion that the Foreign Service should be made part of the Civil Service was absolutely unworkable. The memoei of the amalgamated Foreign Service und took to accept service at home or abroa “Mhat could not be asked ot the meniocis of the Civit Service. Several members had asked why, once Maclean's behaviour in Cairo got so bad, he was not dismissed the service. He (the Prime Minister) did not know about this behaviour; he was not then in the Goyern- ment; but it was an arguable proposition, and he would not say what he would have done had he been Foreign: Secretary at the | Curd end Aol ree ene tke time, It would have been an appallingly Cheers.) difficult decision to take. Thank God J did not have to judge it (he said). All I can say is that it is rather WU may be true that if the sec vices had such powers Burgess and would not be where they are think it is true. But what. wo been the consequences for British and for the rights this House always determined to defend ? 1 make one thing quite clear, 1 we be willing to be Prime Minister of ment which asked those power House. (Loud cheers.) The motion was, by leave, wit ‘The Expiring Laws Continuanc read a second time. The House adjourned at 29 min 10 o'clock. harsh to say that there is nothing to be said at all in favour of giving anybody a second chance. That is a doctrine about which this House should hesitate before it lays it down. DISAGREEABLE MEASURES I was interested to watch the mood of the House as the Foreign Secretary was describing the mew measures—positive “vetting,” as it is called. Personally. 1 think it is right, and | think it is inevitable, but I do not pretend that I like it very much. I really do not—this going along to the tutor of someone and saying, “ What did you really think of so-and-so when he was in your college 2?" and so on, It is really disagreeable to the ordinary British instinct, but T think we just had to do that much. This 1 think is the minimum we had to do, and also the maximum we can do within’ the existing law. Therefore 1 think we have acted rightly, in the spirit of what’ , a the House would wi : . There was no reason to suppose there’ o was any connexion between the departure’ . of Burgess’ and the defection of Outio-John + lo the east. . : He could not explain in detail how the, security services had followed and di covered Maclean's activities. That something that had been concealed from the House, and must be concealed for good be Teasons, That the investigation had covered 6.000 people and red, been oat ed down . ” indicated the care and efficiency Withk wea at which it was pursued. It also indicated bet si ahasto ‘contin information on which it reste . ee ae More than that he was nol prepared to saypeies os Ei Sa - Tt was agreed that every justifiable pre: a ei a caution should be taken to ensure that, every man and woman in the public service did not work against the security of ae PARLIAMENTARY NOTI! HOUSE OF LORDS To-pay, ar 2.30 Aliens’ Employment Bill, report, Motion hy the Earl of ‘Swinton calline the ‘organization. of the Service deparcarc fighting services. HOUSE OF COMMONS State. He therefore proposed to the Leader of the Opposition that a small informal conference of Privy Councillors from both sides of the House should be convened to examine together the security procedures which were now applied in the pubilc vices, and also to consider whether within dhe law any further precaution could pro- petly be taken to reduce the risk of trea- chery such as had been discussed by the js: H ae