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$Y hee ene og, PYRE nae fo dea i } ‘, ot i ala : r ro secfng i ~ {Lievr.-Covonet Lteton} 55 ses: ere to the Prime Minister on 25th October last. That is a quite serious statement to make, but } make it because I am abso- lutely convinced that 1 am serving the public interest by forcing the Government, and in particular the Foreign Sccrctary, to provide much more information than has been provided hitherto... ._. Tt may be that T have some other ia- formation which, as it involves what was said by Secret Service agents, 1 cannot Quote in this House. What J suggest to the Government is that the case for some inquiry, first, into the staffing srran ments of the Foreign Office, and, secondly, into our securily services, has been made out. ft will be found, if both these in- quiries ase embarked upon, that many People will be induced to give informa: tion, especially to a private inquiry which we hope will be made by 2 High Court judge into the Secret Service. Perhaps People will be more willing 10 give infor- mation than they have been up to now. . Mr. Nutting: May I ask the hon. and Nant Gentleman to be good enough to forward to my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary the evidence upon which he is basing his charges against Mr. Phil- by? I quite understand the reluctance of the hon. and gallant Gentleman to bring that evidence before pe House of Com- mons, dut perha, would enough to forward it to my rigt et Friend, -~ us fe - Lieut-Cofonel Lipton s No, pre- pared to forward that inform toa judicial member of the Privy Council—a High Court judge—who, as has been sug- gested from this side of the House, should Carry out an investigation into the opera- tions of the Secret Service and who should report (o the Prime Minister in a private report. Surely that is not able offer to make. 5 2 Basra ae FE Be teiat AMI want to say, and I must rapidly draw to @ conclusion. (Hon. Memarasy “Hear, hear."]_ Before ¥ draw 6 a con- clusion, I want to say that T will Bot be gagged by anybody in this House of outside in the performance of my duty. [Hon. Mempers: “ Say it outside.”j Even Mr. Philby has not asked for k wo be repeated outside. Let us leave it at for the time being. ~ 4 une 1591 Former Fortis Office, 7. NOVEMBER 195: 3 Officials—Disappearance 1992" ~ Ia the course of carrying ‘out what £ believe to be my public duty as s Mem> ber of Parliament I say quite deliberately zrand 1 think that when the verbal nices lies of the Foreign Secretary's statement are examined in the OrriciaL REPORT fo Morrow it will be found that I am justified —that I will not make soy withdrawal at all at present. The whole tendency of the debate has been to stress the importance’ of this two-pronged mn ine Biceps a secruitment 1 eign Sopa sal in te eauy, : The whole of the debate will have been a complete waste of time unless it is fol- lowed by one or both of the inquiries which guite & number of hon. Members on doll sides of the House are’ very anxious to sce instituied at the earliest possible moment, re Te ras arma ity tert Mr. Daines: In pite of the interves- tion of the Minister of State, I think that my hon. and gallant Friend owes the House an answer, The only evidence he has brought against Mr. Philby is -— quotation in the American Press which emanated. apparently, from -@ - British Member of Parliament. He is a lawyer, and knows that that is not evidence, and I think he should withdraw what be said, Mr. R. Brooman-White (Rutherglen) : The hon. and gallant Gentleman Member for Brixton (Lieut.-Colonel ipton) has been somewhat diffuse, and ittle difficult to follow.. I shall tura my attention to one phrase only, in which he brushed aside the whole speech—which was welcomed on both sides—of my right hoo. Friend the saat oe oeerelaTy ut “ interestin, iti i A ly right hon. ceend's man theme was that in the conditions of the post-war world we are again facing a securi ‘oblem" which has not had to be faced since the . wars of religion. We ace dealing with the ‘extremely: difficult: “and delicate balance which has to be struck between the needs of national security and the rights of individual liberty, --3 “ <We must have constani’ and difficult Gecisions to’ make as to bow ‘far ‘any action is justified on suspicion.” After listening to the hon. and gattant Member, ‘one is at least quite clear where he stands on that. He is in favour of acting on suspicion, of smearing on suspicion, by te adis