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When that was done, that made it very much easier for us to operate. Al- though it complicated Stan [sic] Gaines' relations I think with Beerli. 20/* Richard D. Drain, Chief, lVH/4 Ops, was less in- hibited than Jake Esterline in reflecting on the re- lationships between WH/4 and DPD. Where, on the one hand, he was quite high in his praise of the military personnel in charge of the ground force activity, , particularly Col. Jack Hawkins and Lt. Col. Frank Egan, the Army Special Forces Officer who was actually in charge of Brigade training in Guatemala, Drain was harsh in his evaluation of the management of air operations for JMATE: RD The most unsatisfactory military personnel were those in DPD ... and the trouble with that was that Air Ops had become so enmeshed in the U-2 that, with the exception of a very small unit which you could say loosely was Tactical Air -- but which was buried in this exotic DPD complex -- it was very difficult to find anybody to talk to. We finaIIY,did. Gar Thorsrud, who got the point and, almost in violation of the superiors in DPD, gave us the kind of intel- ligent cooperation that we needed; but until we found him, dealing with D~D was like dealing with a foreign power. * George Gaines.