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HR70-14 (U) APPROVED FOR RELEASE DATE: MAR 2008 Interview with Richard Helms hy Dr. Robert M. Hathaway 30 May 1-984 TAPE 1 - SIDE 1 Hathaway: Why don't you start just by giving us in a general way some of your thoughts about how you see or saw the counterintelligence function. Helms : Counterintelligence in any intelligence organization is obviously a key element for the simple reason that any Director of Central Intelligence is hound to be deeply concerned ahout the day that he may walk into the office and have someone tell him that a Soviet penetration has been found in the organization. This is obviously a Director's nightmare because in the tradition of intelligence, being penetrated by a hostile service is one of the real disasters. In other words, a man who is in a position to turn over your real intelligence secrets, your sources particularly, to a hostile service. This possibility that the service is penetrated, that there is a mole so-called in the service, is something that obviously should concern a Director very deeply. Therefore, Counter- intelligence, combined with the Office of Security, are the two elements to which one looks for protection against hostile penetration. Now let's leave the Office of Security aside in this i discussion because I think that that is a separate chapter probably. The Counterintelligence Staff in my 1