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To: Counterterrorism From: Berlin Re: 315N-WF-227135, 12/05/2003 The Chief Judge then asked whether he had understood Fromm correctly, in that they only wanted to go to Afghanistan and not to Chechnya via Afghanistan. Fromm answered that this was correct. They had traveled to Afghanistan because they knew that one could complete military training there in. less than one year. This, according to Fromm, was their goal for traveling to Afghanistan. It was the BfV's conclusion that they were recruited in Afghanistan as a result of their English language abilities, and their familiarity with Western countries. This conclusion was based upon "open" sources of information available to the BfV. The attacks on the World Trade Center (hereinafter "WTC") were planned by KSM. Those who had arrived in Afghanistan from Germany simply became the means to execute the plan. They were asked to volunteer for this plan. Chief Judge RUuhle asked whether Fromm meant that the entire plan had been conceived by Binalshibh and KSM. Fromm testified that this was correct. The Chief Judge told Fromm that Motassadeq had claimed this same allegation. The Chief Judge noted that the Hanseatic Higher Regional Court in Hamburg had recently convicted Mounir El Motassadeq (hereinafter "Motassadeq") under a prosecutorial theory similar to the one now presented before the Mzoudi trial court. He asked Fromm whether they had just convicted an innocent man to fifteen (15) years in prison. The Chief Judge rhetorically asked Fromm that if his interpretation of the facts was accurate, then should not the court have declared Motassadeq innocent and released him? Defense attorney Pinar then noted for the court that the Binalshibh interview was considered by intelligence services to be true and accurate. Chief Judge Ruhle asked whether the BfV had any of its own sources upon which the BfV was basing its conclusions. Fromm answered that there were none in that regard. The Chief Judge then asked whether there was a person who could corroborate that the Hamburg Group was recruited for the September 11th attacks in Afghanistan. Fromm referred the court to look to the "open" sources of information available. For example, page 30 of the U.S.