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eR SRE R psn perme Cnign Office. 1 NOVEMBER 1955 once pyri 1572 | Ct te Bolte (MR. Irvine) ge ea the Department. -To find the remedy for a . i tees gravely at fault, or necessarily that there thal is a very difficult task, and for the @ice owe bees was as complete a bdreakdown in the moment] am not able to think of another “ en a en intuitive Perspicacity and judgment of than the remedy which my bon. Friend , a : members of the Service as at first sight has suggested, . - PL cert BT TO oe ‘ | Se sppcared, bul that we are dealing with | would say,” fn‘ conclusion that ‘one te ar re the consequence of men ina great Depart- fusther lesson which, I have no doubt, is - ; gocetrn ed fe tte ment feeling that their obligations to each fey in, al] parts of the House, of all this i sa qenat on Other and to the Department were such fs that an incident of this kind must not: :' he Fe Peer that the truth should not be revealed, It be allowed to be made the occasion og |! ; a fee pesca oe ES a difficult thing, of course, to suggest the excuse for any kind of ifliberal witch. are went. BOE GPE 2 what is the proper remedy for that.“ }t hunting and pursuit. I am not at afl sure eo err wocrem-" May well be that in this context the obser- that the most valuable outcome of s re vations of my hon. Friend the Member debate like this may not prove to be the an for Stirling and Falkirk Burghs have Pat- insistence by the House as @ whole that _ a emer en ee Rar SF ticular Televance, . tite tell tigen that shall not be. 1 speak as one who” oo be : ot the alterna. Prefers contention in political life, but —: ~ be deaers Mr. Nicholson : Would not the alterna- perhaps we are Siscunsire today a theme ~ acon fF ures five explanation, and the more reasonable re . : So. Keg beste one, be that there was anxiety to secure Howse each Members ‘ all parts of the ¢.. oe Po Ce evidence for a prosecution? Is not that agreement, rae eee Oe eT vin, en ee conceivable? ME NEA Aledo We d cao in “this ‘ecuatcy ‘ac . a Paws t= pet i: ee i MS ¢ do mor want i is — ze Loi. " Mr. Srvine : I should have thought that processes which can’ be regarded a ‘7 ror. that was an unlikely explanation of what witch-hunting. At the same time, we can, geeoo Rory cr occurred, The suggestion that crimes can perhaps, agree that ao example has been “7 cea oe ee BEE go on being committed indefinitely Provided bere of bow toyalty among ~ _ ere eee” because It if thought undesirable to colleagues in a Department “has beea *. SOC ES Sa er check them for fear that there is insufi- carried fo the point where the national . ; f- — cient evidence is a line of thought, and af interest bas been adversely affected. f° BL Rie pee inaction, that is full of danger. We are there be any substance in that ‘view, i & gio ope sag ec sey- speaking about conjectures here, and for offered to the House only after considera. 5 ee gstg HF my part I do not know any of the persons tion of all the aspects of this extraordinary = | ey ee eS concerned, but I should certainly say that case, we may be confident that no section ” Des pune Mis very unlikely that the explanation for of the community will be quicker to leara ' 34> ne this incident is to be found in the reluc- the lesson than the Civil Service itself and f. tance of persons to take action before Forej i i a there “wat sufficient accumulation ‘ of the Foreign Ofice fn particular, 23 SHEP evidence. H may bave played a pant, but 7.45 pam, 77 eb ese ath 2s Eafe fi docs not seem to me to go to the root __Lieut-Colonel J, K. Cordeaux (Notting- . ; - ‘ ge r. A, J. Irvine) has, F think, bocca ol think th Me aed te ee exonerated the security services, although F ; robably the real root of the trouble here possibly he may have been referring to b. a Pe Kind of inverted virtue on the part of this case only. I do wish I could agree. § Spe the Department. I think that the sease All of us who have had the honour wo 3 ag é: ‘ gat ow t ot bes Pas « Y ee ¢- ts an meat of loyalty and of keeping together was car- seTve in any of the security services of a . 2 4 iter. _ fied to the point where things which this Country—and {wo have already x ff to eee Should not have been allowed to continue Spoken “today—would tike to’ take that 4 © ieee bone. dn the public interest were allowed to con- View. 1 cannot, and it cannot be doing f ak REF LOAD VE finue, Jt may well be that the observa. BY service, ] am sure, in the long rus fk pope’ Pea tions of my hon. Friend the Member ‘© the branch of this great Service whose Poe he gee: for Stirling and--Falkirk Burghs are ‘eputation is at stake in this debate to Gaeisec taps particularly relevant to this point, and Wy to minimise what J feel is the serious- ‘gsr LRH TLR that the mistake—because that is what it mess of the matter. 03.2220 47a wen opt ft is—of 100 intense a loyalty to a Depart- - * My “hon.” Friend the Member for ment and Yo oné’s colleagues in g Hexham (Mr. Speir) and the Foreign Sec- Department, to the point where it is not retary both referred to the extreme new f - compatible with foyalty to the highest difficulties which afe now faced by ou i- Bational interests, can be treated best by security services thanks to the fact tha! f expanding the sources of fecruitipent into agents can now often be recruited not uDK nae ame Me. ee Saks vee doe aoe a el alee eg Toa ig en Re le ie PS we ecg eg RTARTA op ae Tate ote Salt ha a - RE ME REP ty wee oo aa, Sy OS EO re OE cc en ewe pe 2 ie Ey Se EM : “a ” . hme yg omy ay e 7 — ~ ra . . _ 3 ke snaem — ES pe a a a IS TO OT : le AT ere h eo LO See ee ae " i . 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