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ace EWA te ag MS AIOE “deh o? Samugi ye Tees fT ee er cl a mage red ABR oceably FTEs oe garni Rd ETT si Sais age” ie cusp ong wba ama ernie Neg oe eR a A ‘ aa anne negeerener sei 1615 Former Foreign Office Y NOVEMBER 195$ Officials SZhoppearaide 1618] © matter which concerns only the political are we to party which happens to be in office. We at th g0 in pursuit of greater security are all agreed about that. d ¢ cost of the essential liberties of che ; We all agreed British people? That is why 1 have sug- to ste that every justifiable precaution ig gested Privy Councillors—who are not taken fo ensure that men and women in udges. This is not, ¥ think, a matter for the public service shall not work bodes, but for : against, for Parliament. . The only =°"> the security of the State. I would, there- reason that’) said Privy Councillors is fore, propose —as IT have proposed to thel that they are Members of Parliament. Yg”” right hon. Gentleman the Leader of thel is a ; Pg essentially Parliament's decision. <2 420 sae sposition—ihat we shou convene a . . Perey: ieee Cram era ycanlerence, of Prisy| wot mane, has been supesed Gd Ls $ or Of sides & e Mouse - - se ° en allowed to escape. All right. Under $i0--- ' ¥ say Privy Councillors not, 1 beg the the Jaw as it stands today they could p House to believe, because we think that he Jaw as aa, not we are better than any other people, but because it is those who actually dealt with No these matters who, f think, can now Use- . would the House like that Jaw altered? cet - we should examine together—if the House Peer have been prevented from Scoping. ua 227" less a charge could have been preferr, charge could be preferred. Now, ~ vd should allow any British subject to be =~"! were willing that we should do so—the detzined on suspicion? Hon. MEMBERg?-————" security procedures which are now applied { « No.”} But we have to face these ques- 4c ~- in the public oe and also consider tions. When there is no evidence on ° whether any further precautions can ich a 2 ed, wou Properly be taken to reduce the risk of Hee ean can Be charged, would the tieachery such as that which we have House be willing that Pe ople should be —~ estimate ttt ae ttt an) ine | ‘ That is the offer I make. Ido not ask case, as we now know, detention would ~~ for an immediate answer, but I would ask have been justified; but “some fon. - dane the House to ponder it, In certain Gentlemen think, too easily, that because +7" measure, 1 think thar it covers all the that was so it would always be justified: -- ¢ suggestions made this afternoon, but be- It is Dot so in the least. Who could el ----~-- - hind it there is a Jarger question, and I Want to close by putting this to the House. Gentleman rightly took his decision to |. yt : take the action he did, whether Maclean ae Mr. Tomoey: Does the Hight hon. s : : ee Gentle 8 mean that all the Privy Coun- was innocent or guilty? .No one knew. ~. fulare Annet meet. ith the Foreign Office British justice over the centuries has bees ocige | wwe TV HOCIS Wild 3 me : : . eet would be on that Committee? -...14'4s bens principle Sat Rone, fe A age | The Prime Minister 2 'No—that would proved guilty. Are we going to abandog - 5:54 be discussed between the two sides of the that principle? Perhaps, worst of all, are House, What I suggest is that a number we to make an exception for poli ies ie Privy Councillors who have had ex- offences? 1 Be 4 caues wate varie BEE Doe perience of this—not necessarily Foreign ; Yn this debate Y have said something.ia ---.-75:" Office experience, but other experience as { defence of the Security Service because § ~~ -. see utd be appointed, perhaps two\f think that they have been criticised, but, 7 or three, as would be agreed on both i I then, at the time when ‘the right bon. ~~~ " Fie we sf the jast thing that I would wish to 7 . ; 2 bee in Oia aides, to examine this matter together 10 this country is the Security Service having “*™” see whether there is anything further we nes can do within the law—or whether, in some of our friends of the Press do not" °": fact, there are any changes in the law ‘| seem to rea Which Parliament must be asked to face. "advocates pg ope Ste Set ak - "That is the concluding comment thatI | If may de ‘true—it probably is true - Wish to make in the last few minutes, be- that if the Security 23 cause | have given a great deal of thought powers, Burgess and Maclean would at _” to this very difficult uestion. Behind alf where they are today. I think that is at the cuse hee wt foe s10use nas been discussing this true. 1 think that if the right hon. Gentle- afternoon, behind the anxieties, the fears man had had the power—and Burgest sigs ~to some extent the confusion—there ig and Maclean is not the only case; we? a larger question, and it is this: How far have bad problems of this kind, he and <2 ~ = 1D 3s . a . ; ete moe . d er a . atk Us -o. . . ate - wee . . . 7 . oT - ee ied 7 iia a a “+ : . mo _ — cee p ~ weet a - the power to do some of the things whi ly 4 lise would flow from what they pst “vr rvice had those == TTR wees TS OPN ere ge et er om PEE aS lk ope Mim i tee te Ll . ~ fates age +