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Mayflower, And 400 yea ic synchings condean Uncle Sent) murderer. = - - PLAYBOY: We question thay” -ll-inclusive generalization. @°, return to your statement about the plane crash, whé. Dr. Ralph Bunche heard about {by he called you “pentelly depraved." What is your reaction? MALCOIM X: I know all about what Dr. Bunche said. Ha’s always got his international mouth open. He apologized in the UN when black people protested there. You'll notice that whenever the white man lets « black man get prominent, he has a job for hin. . Dr. Bunche serves the white man well - he represents, speaks for and defends the white man. He does none of this for the bleck men. Dr. Bunche has functioned as a white man’s tool, designed to influence international opinion on the Negro, The white wan has > Negro local tools, national tools, and Dr. Bunche is an international tool. a PLAYBOY: Dr. Bunche was only one of many prominent Negroes who deplored your statement in similar terms. What reply have you to make to these spokesmen for your own people? MALCOLM ¥: Go ask their opinions and you'll be able to fill your notebook with what. white people want to hear Negroes say. Let's take these so-called spokesmen for the black men by types. Start with the politicians. They never attack Mr. Muhamasd per- sonally. They realize he has the sympathy of the black masses. They know they would alienate the masses whose votes they need. But the black civic leaders, they do attack Mr. Muhammad. The reason is usually that they are appointed to their positions by the white man. The white man pays them to attack us. The ones who attack Mr. Muhammad the most are the ones who earn the most. Then take the black religious lead- ers, they also attack Mr. Muhammad, These preachers do it out of self-defense, because they know he's waking up Negroes. Wo one believes what the Negro preacher preaches ex- cept those who are mentally asleep, or in the darkness of ignorance about the true situation of the black man here today in thie wilderness of North America. If you will take note, sir, many so-called Negro leadere who once attacked the Honorable Elijah Muhamzad don't do so anymore. And he never speaks against them in the personal sense except as a reaction if they speak againat him. Islam is a religion that teaches us never to attack, naver to be the aggressor - but you can waste somebody if he attacks you. These Negro leaders have become aware that whenever the Honorable Elijah Muhamaad is caused by their attack to level his guns against them, they always come out on the losing end. Many have experienced this. PLAYBCY: Do you admire and respect any other American Negro leaders - Martin Luther King, for example? MALCOLM X: I am a Muslim, sic. Muslims can see only one leader who has the qualifica- tions nacessary to unite all elements of black people in America. This is the Honor- avle Elijah Muhammad, PLAYBOY; Many white religious leaders have also gone on record against the Black Muslims. Writing in the official NAACP magazine, a Catholic priest described you as "a fascist-minded hate group," and B'nai B'rith has accused you of being not only anti- Christian but anti-Semitic. Do you consider this true? MALCOLM K: Insofar as the Christian world is concerned, dictatorships have existed only iti aréas Gr countries where you have Roman Catholicism, Catholicism conditions your mind for dictators. Can you think of a single Protestant country that has ever pro- duced a dictator? PLAYBOY: Germany was predominantly Pretestant when Hitler —= MALCOLM X: Another thing to think of - in the 20th Century, the Christian Church has given us two heresies: fascism and communism. PLAYBGY: On what grounds do you attribute these "isms" to the Christian Church? MALCOLM X: Where did fascism start? Where's the second-largest Communist party outside of Rusaia? The anaver to both ia Italy. Where is the Vatican? But let's not forget the Jew. Anybody that gives even @ just criticism of the Jew is instantly labeled anti-Semite. ‘The Jew cries louder than anybody else if anybody criticizes him. You can tell the truth about any minority in America, but make a true observation about the Jew, and if it doesn't pat him on the back, then he uses his grip on the news media to label you anti-Semite. Let me say just a word about the Jew and the black man. The Jew ia always anxious to advise the black man. But they never advise him how to solve his problem the way the Jews soived their problem. The Jew never went sitting-in and crawling-in and sliding-in and freedom-riding, like he teaches and helps Negroes to do. The Jewa stood up, and atood together. and they used their ultimate power. the econcmic weapon, That's exactly what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is trying to teach black 4