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Nn - 4¢ coe ae . « Americans who are. their brothers and sisters, And it is a good example of why our prot® - has to be internation- , alized.? "the African nations are speaking wut and linking the prob-. lem of racism In Mississippi with the problem of racism in the Congo and alse the problem of racism in South Vietnam. It's all racism. It’s all part of the vicious racist system that the. Western Powers have used to continue to degrade and exploit and oppress the pecple in Africa and Asia and Latin America during recent cen- turies. - And when these people in these different areas begin to see that the problem is the same problem and when the 22 miilion black Americans see that our problem is the same as the problem of the people who are being oppressed in South Vietnam and the Congo and Latin America, then the oppressed people of this earth make up a majority, not a minority, Then we approach our problem then as a majority that can demand, not as a minority that has ‘to beg. Ring: I noticed that you men- tioned the problem of Vietnam. Generally, you're associated with concerning yourself with the prob- lems of black people. How do you see the problem of U.S. interven- tion in Vietnam as related to the roblems of your people? Malcolm X: It's a problem any- me the United States can come up with so many alibis not to get involved in Mississippi and to get involved in the Congo and in- volved in Asia and in South Viet- nam. Why that, right there, should show our people that the govern- ment is incapable of taking the kind of action necessary to solve the problem of black people in this country. But at the same time she has her nose stuck into the problems of others everywhere else. We see where the problem of Vietnam is the problem of the op- pressed and the oppressor. The problem in the Congo is the prob- lem of the oppressed and the op- pressor. The problem in Missis- sippi and Alabama and New York is the problem of the oppressed and the oppressor. The oppressed people all over the world have the same problems and it is only now that they’re becoming sufficiently sophisticated tao see that all they have to do to get the oppressor off their back is to unite and realize that it is one problem — that our Problems are inseparable. And then our action will be insenarahla TISER CLP SCUIOT Wii oe Lise Peraust. Our action will be one of unity and in the unity of oppressed peo- ple is actually the strength, and the best strength of the oppressed people, Ring: To gei & 2 lera_of Bazlem. I noticed that last week a group of had been withowti and hot water for over a week went down .4a City Hall and sat down in. the mayor's office. A‘ “ew days later I read that the ping commis- sioner had decide.~that the city would make repairs on buildings that required it and bill the tand- lord, 7S be He made it known — and 1 had never known this before — that a law had Been on the books for many years permitting the city te do this ‘— that they had done it during the depression a few times, but it’s never been used since, Now ft seems to me that this action by these Harlem tenants brought this about. Do you think that effective gains can be made through this kind of action? Malcolm X: Definitely. When- ever our people are ready to take any kind of action necessary to get results, they'll get results, They'll never get results as long as they play by the ground rules laid down by the power structura downtown wae Wee See MPS GOW nIOWwIL it takes action to get some action, and this is what our people have to realize. They have to organize and become involved in well co- ordinated action which will in- volve any means necessary to bring about complete elimination of the conditions that exist — con- ditions that are actually crimi Not only unjust but criminal! Ring: You've said that your a titude on many questions changed fn the past year. How about your attitude toward the established civil- -rights organiza- tions? Matcolm X: I’m for whatever gets results. I don’t go for any or-= ganization — be it civil-rights or any other kind — that has to com- Promise with the power structure and has to rely on certain ele- ments within the power structure for their financing and which puts them in a position to be influenced and controlled all over again by the power structure itself. I'm for anything that they’re in- volved in that gets meaningful re- sults for the masses of our people — but not for the benefit of a few hand-picked Negroes at the top who get prestige and credit, and all the while the masses’ problems remain unsolved. Ring: But would you support concrete actions of these organi- zations if you feel they go in the right direction? I Malcolm X: Yes. The Organize- tion of Afro-American Unity will support fully and without tom- promise any action by any group that is designed to get meaningful immediate results. Ring: I’m sorry, but that’s all we'll have time for. It’s been a pleasure to talk to you and | want to wish you every success in your efforts. ee Malcolm X: ‘Thank you.