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amit nea te Ve J» Hale et al vm Pape 6 — “r Fe S. Suith 4-3.20.° 7 didn't kmow whether Blackie wuld do thet or not, bd wanted me to get in conv€rsation snd ask how he a could get in touch with Al}Spencer, I told nim 4l : Spencer came to se my friend, Ed\Snyder, living on lein - . Street, Pawhusics, Oklahom, and probably Ba Suyder could - arrange a meeting between him, J. K+ Hale and 41 , Spencer, but i? Al wouldn't pull that deal I thought John : ~ eRamsey would. 1 think that was about three months ‘befors the Smiths was killed. ‘ °2 Q. Now you say you Suggested to him at that time thst Therbe | im John Ramsey would do it? i ze A. Yes. A <0 Q. What did he sag with reference to, that? . ow. 21S" + He said Ramsey was Kind of a shuckle-headed boy and he 12 2. didn't know whether he could trust him or not. Qs Dic you see Ed sayder? Aes Yes. , : ~ * : is . . Q. Where? : 2 Ay 4. Down at his hore on Main Street. , i. Q. Did you tell him what 8111 Fale wanted? As Yes. Q» What did he say? 4. He refused to have anything in the worl. to do with it. Qe Now between tnat time and the tine the Smith home was: eee. . blown up did you have any further talk with Hale about itt °: 8 4. Before the blowing up? ic Q@. Yes. . Ae Before the blowing up, Yea. Q» Did he talk with you about Hamsey any more? A. Ho, I don't believe he did. we fter ths house was blown up did he tely to you about Ramsey? : 4s Yes, Q. State what he said, 42 That was when he told me, "As far as we ere concerned, She will never be able to testify any more. She wos réaliy . the only one 1 was afraid of," 4 : ' | Q» | What did he say about Ramsey blowing tho house up? ++ 4. He ssic the deal was pulied off according to shneduie. f Qe Did he say through Ramsey? 4. No, idon't belicve he did. That was the tie 1 phoned for IG him and hac gave me_ 338 te ip le pene te OT Meg gt a Cent pitek te eee ge a Se am ees Lo - oT . * .