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Hotel whare I met him in the lobby, ‘being introduced to him by We ar his attorney. Mr. Hale and I diacussed various phases of his case, aid perticularly, he told me about tha way newspapers had been publishing and: — ‘Hale and i. “Howard and I talked ‘together, “etanding 1 UP» and then, ‘the > tncomt ng nfrionds of Wr. Bald at various intervals, drew Mr. Howard away, and left irse “Bale and I: together for’ several. minutea. 1 asked Wr, Bale in. regard touthe insurance taat was made out on Henry Roan, the man ##0i he waa charged - 7 ne having aided and abetted in murdering, and he etarted in and gaye me a resume on how he happened to take ont <.i¢ ingurance on Mr. Roanr 5.4 was the only thing the government could connect him with in regarc. @eath of Roan; it was the only thing that they had to go on and he exp i "Gin this way; 'that all bia life’he had been engaged in handling cattle’: Rig “doing business: in large amounts; that he sold cattle in. thousands: of heads gts otha t he had the reputation of being’s good busines’ man and he’ edn! ities Sehe ‘waBs. ‘that’ he gould ‘Dorrow, ‘any AMOR - of money. ‘on, a mgment'a Pes 31 ‘time and his integrity was never questioned. That years ago, & bank 32 of his was discusysing tis business affeira with him, and he referred to this 33 banker as whom I knew (which I did not}, saying he was in iulsa at cna tine 34 . before a pank failure here, and in the conversation said thet this banker = . gS aid to him: ‘Bill, why don't you get some of those Indiars who hold hoad- r= 36 Sights: indebted to you, and ‘eventually the Governuent will remove the ras- “grictions ‘fron, their allottments and if some of them are indebted. to. 2FoR 2 then, you -can ‘come “into possession , of sone of: thave headrights and-fix 7 & Taps.t thought this was'e pretty good f4ea myself, so he said, and. a ‘he hat ‘done quite a lot of business for Roan and sold hiz horsea and Sattle ang “a Roan had become indebted to Him fn’ the amount of approximately twelve. : ,: ffhousand dollars; he gaid the newspapers had made this sux aomewhat ex horbitant; he said that Hoan. then came to him and told hic thet Lf” be -dedted to him in that amount and that. he didnot think he would stér ; lax to now hin. and’ he wanted to do something to aecure the debt to Ye. ais. 0° _ we Stee ot a As _. he woald not lose the amount, and that ne suggested that ir. Hale poy “the premium on a Twenty five thousand dollars insurance policy for him, stating. qe. ‘that he kmew an insurance agent that would write the policy, and 2, Hala 49 " gaid, then at Roan's sucgestian, he thought it over and jesided to pay the» 4g il ‘50 . - premium on the insurance and become the beneficiary; that after some talk \ the insurance company, he did this, and paid the Thirteen hundred aud . ‘51 2 dollars cash for the premium; said that was the only thing he “sd te ae “ Mee ease, and then he ramoled on } and talked for ebout one ) halt hours, ‘ ve 7 ' . ee a stdsca that tais wes not contained in my published intecriew ch the si days” was Yor the reason that I felt that Halets atatement regardin: the -% a *. “manner of having Indians bacoma indebted to him to obtain their pescrignt vee ~ was a very ingriminating statement for a man in his position to make. ag” “'*" gp as ania ah Saft ‘Sie OW Yt Fie ed net ps x ok in : aot . voy oa oa ra . mo . . . . tae . oe + Dost rey ~™ moe a a rr arr Co - whee