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—_—— — ay NY 100-94061 ADMINISTRATIVE PAGE (Cont'd) BARMINE. said that he told his chief the whole story and. further told him definitely that he had given no affidavit and thus if McCARTHY had one as he claimed, it was a forgery. His Chief asked him if he had told his information to the FFT *nd BARMINE said that he had. . The Superior then asked specifically if he, BARMINE, had mentioned JOSEPH BARNES and OWEN LATTIMORE to the FBI by nane, to which BARMINE feplied that he had. BARMINE commented that his Superior asked this - latter question more or less in the idea of "softening the thing", that reser a et verte) Poss eet ater) sere is BARMINE's action in naming BARNES and LATTIMORS. However, HARMINE said he explained to his Superior that he had definitely named these individuals as he had received the information from BERZIN, he believed it to be true, and he definitely felt that it was "my duty" to so inform the FBI. The following day, March 3lst, BARMINE telked to EUGENE LYONS. LYONS told BARMINE that SURINE, after leaving BARMINE, had come to "Lyon's place", told the latter of his visit to BARMINE, said that BARMINE had made statements to him but would not sign an affidavit. He then’ proceeded to use LYONS' typewriter to type up "an affidavit" which contained the information he said BARMINE told him. He then showed this to LYONS and asked the latter if he had heard BARMINE make the statements, as contained in the supposed affidavit, aforementioned. LYONS said that he had. SURINE then, according to what BARMINE was told by LYONS, got the latter to sign this paper to that effect. BARMINE sald that he berated LYONS for his action and told him that he should have known better; that he should have known that if he was willing to make such remarks to SURINE he would have been willing to sign an affidavit to that effect. BARMING said that he understood, partly from LYONS and in part from the + AOA DIY hel tina af MeCARTHY had turned this affidavit ov g oO His purpose in contacting the New York Office, BARMINE continued, was to advise first that any affidavit allegedly signed or made out by him was a forgery and that any statements made by SURINE to the effect that he, BARMINE, had spoke to him, or told him, anything regarding LATTIMORE, BARNES, the IPR, or related matters, would be perjury on the part of SURINE. FURTHER, BARMINE said that if he was ever confronted with this supposed affidavit he would not hesitate to identify it as a forgery and @ perjurour's act on the part of SURINE. He further desired that if McCARTHY had not made this paper available to the FBI as reported to hin, BARMINE, then, if possible, he would like to have McCARTHY made aware of the fact that the affidavit was a forgery and of the tactics utilized by investigators representing him. In this respect BARMINE was advised that lathe