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5978 UN-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES is innocent of that murder, we are convinced he is charged with murder because of his labor activities, certainly we would defend him. Mi. Starnes. Now, who is the supreme court of the I. L. D.? ; Mr. Marcaxtonio, We have ne supreme court, We have a presi- dent, Mr. Starnes. Well, who is the man, or group of men, or women, in the organization that lays down the yardstick and decides whether it is undemocratic or antilabor ? Mr. Marcantonio, If it is the usual run of case, it is usually de- cided by myself; if there is a real policy question involved, it comes up before the governing board. We have had no such case since I have been president, Mr. Starnes. Is it not a fact in the I. L. D.—well, I cannot ask that question, because you have confined it to your knowledge since 1937, but I wanted to ask if it was not a fact that the I, L. D. had volunteered its services and stepped into cases and sought to inter- fere with the processes of the courts of this country, and if they had not attempted to influence, to browbeat, and intimidate the civil authorities of this country? Mr. Marcantonio. My answer is “No.” Mr. Srarnes. Never? . Mr. Marcantonio. Never; as far as T know; and, furthermore, as I said before, we came into the De Jonge case, and th kanes agreed with us, and the Strecher case Mr. Starnes. Was De Jonge a member on your board of directors? Mr. Marcantonio. I think hé is. We came into the De Jonge cagse-—- Mr. Starnes. Is not the fact of the business this: That the reason the denouncing of communism has never been embodied in the resolu- tions adopted by the I. L. D., the fact that a resolution to that effect has the same chance as the proverbial snowball in the lower regions of ever being considered and passed by the I. L, D.? Mr. Marcantonio. As I say to you gentlemen, give us a case of one person deprived of democratic rights by the Communists, and I will give you my guaranty, if he comes to us, he will be defended. Mr. Starnes. And, Mr. Marcantonio, since you have been a mem- ber, you have undertaken to defend the religious and political liber- ties of persons in the Soviet Union? Mr. Marcantonio, In the Soviet Union, in Alabama, or anywhere else, We have only had one case, and that was an American citizen Mr. Starnes. I want to say I subscribe wholeheartedly to the doc- trine of freedom of speech and freedom of the press, and that inciudes Communists, Fascists, Nazis, or whoever he is, if he is an American citizen; but I have an absolute aversion to some person who comes to this country as an agent of a foreign government and becomes a naturalized citizen in order to wrap himself in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to seek the destruction of this Government. And that is the reason I, and many other Americans, look with sus- Picion on these various organizations. Mr. Marcantonio, And the gentleman’s views on aliens and my views on aliens are not in accord. The Caamman. Let us not get into that discussion. UN-AMERIC Mr. Starnes. And we |: come before us, including others, who are naturalize ple of America, or to Insti tion and the Bill of Rig heavens, as far as I am cc Mr. Marcantonio. Mas people of inunigrant stocl 10 American development Mr, Starnes, Which wi J am the son of one mys Mr. Marcantonio. Ant have been allowed the priv: Mr, Starnes. That 1s ri privilege of destroying tl The Cuatrman, Let us Mr. Wuiriey. Congress Daily Worker, official org an article captioned “I. J world’s toilers” Mr. Marcantonio, Tha Mr. Wuittey. 1933; 4: ing to place the point at w the International Red Ai Mr. Marcantosio. Well. not do it through me, beca in June or July of 1937, Mr. Wurtiry. I think i anyway. We are also try Mr. Marcantoxto, I ar Mr. Warmer. Reading A call to the tollers of the 3 Scottshoro boys has just been | International Labor Defense sections in 71 countries. So it would appear fro that at least as late as 1933 Mr. Marcantonio. No, Communists have made | Thomas has made an ap} make the International Thomas? Mr, Wuirter. Let me rt 1 A call to the toilers of the w Scottsboro hoys has Just been the International Labor Defen Does that permit uncert: Mr. Marcanronro. Well knows that the statement person. Mr. Wuuit.er. I wanted Mr. Marcantoxto. But, of a third party and is no