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SESRET b1 (S) KAK:rs GUNDANG: (Cont.) And I, violence in whatever form is not justified in my book. KAPLAN: The strange thing is that this great man, and in his way he is a great man, manages to go to Ireland, of all places to Ireland. And, and suggest that Ireland should be reunited and that their Unr should, should totally stop any relationships that are hostile towards the Irish question, which of course was total interference... GUNDANG: Um-hmm. KAPLAN: ..with the business of other countries. GUNDANG: But apparently he had to backtrack from that and he's, uh, he said that he was quoted out of context. Cause I think he's UNT KAPLAN: No he was not quoted out of context. GUNDANG: (Chuckles) And that, I mean that's what he's, yeah and. just... KAPLAN: You see I can, I got the English Press daily.. GUNDANG: Right. KAPLAN: And he was not quoted out of context. GUNDANG: That's what he said. And he tried to back track on that one. KAPLAN: Yes. Yes, somebody must've told him that. Now what is going to happen upon his return uh to South Africa. In my way of thinking I think the rights of South Africa today are heaving a