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RE: COUNTEROR2.NIia! LON WEEK (The following interview of CHUCK HOPKINS was conducted.) ie. é : E Question: This is GEORGE _. (unintelligible) for WCHL. I'm talking with Mr. CHUCK HOPKINS, CHUCK, in your opinion, what are the reasons that trouble erupted at A and T University and Dudley in Greensboro? HOPKINS: Well, I'm not from Greensboro, first of all. Question: Well, from what you read and from what you can evaluate in your own’ mind? HOPKINS: I think it's reaily a lack of understanding of the officials over there, the pecple in power in Greensboro, Police, schoo] administrators, and so forth. Understand that black people move to a point where, you knew, that we struggle te do something then you inean to do it. And you know, if we don't get it at one point, then we just have to extend and intensify our struggle to another pojnt. you know, the little thing at Dudley which spread and then mushroomed over at. A and T, you know, exemplifies that. Question: I see. At what level, you were talking about education, at what level of education de you think black studies should begin? In other words, at the university leve}, at the high school level, Or at the grammar school level? HOPKINS. Preschool. You know the little kindergarten... Question: Kindergarten? ri HOPKINS : I think they call it. the formative years or something. Question: Zz see. And finally what do you think the present . . . Why do you think the present history and sociology offered in universities are inadequate for black students? HOPKINS: One thing is what. they do is, you know, put black people in a fish bow] and you know, intellectualize the black experience. And I think, you know, in order for people to be 35