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AMEND. J MIGRATORY LABOR LAWS 379 Senator Munprry, I see. And so far, at your request, those fun have been withheld? . Mr. Cuavez. That’s correct. ngressman Hacex, Cesar, I'd like to ask you some questions, and I want to say that I think there have been errors made on both Sides of this dispute in Delano, and I think there have been acts of Violence on both sides which are regrettable, But { think there’s also n very little clear statement of what the dispute is sbout,_ Now, as I understand it, and, of course, you Joined the strike after it got started? Mr.Cnavez. That's right. . . Congressman Hace. Well, you're asking an economic wage in- crense, and you're also seeking ‘recognition as sole bargaining agent for the farmworker, correct # . Mr. Cyavez. The sole bargaining agent with those growers with whom whave a contract, or rather, a strike, n, an Hace. Now, let me ask you two Puestions, Let’s Say youp wage demands were granted tomorrow. ‘ou'd still be on strike ‘ure recognition ¥ Mr. Cuavez. That’s correct. . Congressman Hacen. Now, let’s say that you got recognition but no Wage increase. Would you settle for that? Mr. Ciravez. I don't think that would be possible, Congressman. I think if we had Tecognition, we would automatically gain a wage increase. I don’t see any reason to believe otherwise. ‘Ongressman Hagen. All right. Now, let’s try to find out what Tecognition implies. Are you asking these growers, and literally there are thousands of them in the State of California, although there are not that many in Delano obviously, are you asking for a union shopt Mr. Cuavez. If I may, I maintain the position, when the strike started, and if you'll give me this permission, that I did not want to discuss in public those things that we feel are ‘negotiable. We feel that if we have a lot of discussions about this, that it’s going to be twice as hard when we sit at the table. There's going to be more them. We are prepared to negotiate in most of those things that are now known aad are part of Inbor contracts, Congressman Hacex. Well, this is an economic issue, let's face it, and you are seeking a union shop; are you notf I mean, you want every grower vou have a contract with, to make dues checkoffs, and every worker thar he has to belong to your union? Mr. Chavez. If Possible; if we have enough strength to do that, we would want that; yes. Congressman Hacen. Now, one of the prime factual disputes is this, how many people you actually have had on strike, and the grow- ers make the statement that actually very few peopl strike, that there’s a normal 5,000-man labor force in ing, and probably not over 300 or 400 left the job. Now, I assume you dis with that statement. Now, can you prove your position ? Mr. Cuavez$ Well, I most heartily disagree with t statement, On September 16, 1965, when the strike vote was taken by our associa- tion, there were close to 1,200 workers there. We have statements in the grape pick-