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MING: I don't know that we'd all accept BILLY GRAHAM. MALCOLM XK: Well you have to cite someone and all of us aren't going to agree upon any one person whom we think. My point is that BILLY GRAHAM who is most vocal as a Christian and as a white American and who comes froa North Carolina, a1} of that piled into one, MING: Who went to achool in Wheaton, just outside of Chicago. MALCOLM X: It 4s still North Carolina, bas constantly pointed cut that America is standing at her hour of judgment. Not only BILLY GRAHAK but there are instances cited by politicians, world statesmen, who are speaking of the handwriting on the wall of the time that we're getting into now that you have to reap as you have sewed. KING: Don't you distinguish between rhetoric and serious social and political analysis. MALCOLM X; Well the serious social and political analysis of the condition that the world is in today money és. would enable you and se or force you and ne 7 ae to agree that there must be an explosion as whereas religious people call it judgment, Dy socialogist call it explosion. 3 =| WING: I'm pot so sure I would agree that there are must be an explosion because I don’t really pes know what you mean by explosion. In fact lee when you were citing BILLY GRAHAM I really oid was thinking of another Christian historian, a man by the name of TOYNBEE who enjoys & we little more scholarly reputation in that = field than Rev. GRAHAM who believes as you oi saad say that the Western World is at a period when its progress upward or downward ia likely to be determined. He's optiaistic about it because be feels that the people of the Western World will be able to solve their problems io a fashion that will enable their civilization to advance. I tke it that you disagree witb that.