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WALCOLM X: NINO: MALCOLM X: MING: os ; MALCOLM X: ; MING: as Much of what TOYNBEE says points to the downgoing of Western cifilization more so than its upwardness. I think TOYNBES in most of his writings is pointing toward the decline of Veatern civilisation nore so than to going farther in the direction of upward, Doesn't your own doctrine which you were expounding a moment age about conscious responsibility for conscious acts, doesn't that very concept impose on all of us ‘without regard to color and perhaps even without regard to nationality, to try to resolve these problems you and I agree certainly ecist. Certainly. All right now if it does 5 impose that obligation on us then it certainly doesn't help solve the problun, at least on the basis of my @ perience in both fighting with people and negotiating with then since I earn a living doing both, to start off by trying to saddle aomeboudy else with guilt and trying to force thes to confess to that guilt. That is if 1 want Senator DOUGLAS to support a measure that is to get out of the ecivil rights area that one of sy clients thinke will be helpful to him I don't walk into his office and start off by saying you know at the last session you voted against a bill and you caused havoc and go on and we're going to try and defeat you the next time around, I start off by explaining to him the merits of the proposal that I have and bope to win his support, ien’t that right? This is what the various oivil rights groups have been doing for 100 years. Pretty successfully to, haven't they MALCOLM? Eow can you call it success when you have a desegregation decision that was handed down by the Supreme Court 10 years ago and you have worse segregation problems in kes §9°92 syoten of the North today than « Shes