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To: Counterterrorism From: Berlin Re: 315N-WF-227135, 12/05/2003 Defense attorney Pinar now asked that Fromm's testimony be cited in the final verdict. Chief Judge Rthle informed Pinar that it would be noted. Defense attorney Pinar then asked Fromm if he could explain what he had meant by his testimony that the members of the Hamburg Group became ever more radical in their perspective. Fromm advised that he had already explained this to the court. Atta and the other members of the Hamburg Group were not the fanatical Muslims that they later became to be. They had decided in 1998 or 1999 to take part in a Holy War and fight to the death, if necessary. Defense attorney Pinar then asked whether it was a necessary element of their radical development to travel to Afghanistan. Fromm answered that it was not a necessary aspect of radical Islamic development. She also asked whether Islamic radicals go to Afghanistan to participate in a "Jihad." Fromm advised that those radicals could go to Afghanistan to participate in "Jihad." However, they could also go to Chechnya and Bosnia to participate ina "Jihad." Defense attorney Pinar asked how Fromm was able to identify the time period during which the Hamburg Group members were recruited for the September 11th plan. Fromm testified that this information was derived from the results of statements given by detained Mujahadeen. The information was also derived from "open" sources of information and information shared with the BfV by other intelligence agencies. Fromm could not answer the question any further. Prosecutor Dr. Krau& next asked Fromm if he was aware that flight simulator computer programs had been discovered on Motassadeq's computer, and that these programs had existed on his computer prior to 1999. Fromm testified that this information was not known to him. If this were true, then such information would have been known by the experts at the BEV. Nonetheless, Fromm did not consider this information as relevant, since it would not have altered the final conclusion issued by the BfV. Chief Prosecutor Walter Hemberger then asked Fromm if he had understood Fromm's testimony correctly. Namely, the BfV's conclusion that there was no previous intention to commit the acts of September 11th was based upon the absence of preparations for executing the plan, such as undertaking flight training. Fromm answered that it could not be viewed in such a strict manner. 12