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*Tex seemed his normal se 5 Geppysvlucky as could be. everybody on.the ranch was pretty t. Everybody on the ranch—and ere might have been 25 or 30 of us, though people came and went— knew by then there had been a killing. ’ But they didn't know who had done it. ‘ That night we all got together, smoked some grass and sang some songs. And then it started all over. I forget—but I believe that night Charlie told me to get two changes lothes, and a knife, and we were 0. do it again. “oniy this time, he said, we were going to do it right, with c and mess, and he was going to show us how. He told the others. They sighed, and he said: "Do you have remorse?" They said no, knowing that all the time inside they did. And he knew it. I felt remorse, too, and he knew it. Because he knows me inside out. In fact—he knows what I'm doing right now, as I tell this. We all got our things together, knives, and I think there were two guns, or one gun, and we got in the car and we just drove around. All over. Linda and Katie, Clem and Tex and Leslie. With Charlie driv- ing. Seven of us. We went out toward the ocean then we drove over to Pasadena. Charlie was talking the whole time. I forget what he was telling us. He was just talking to keep us so we wouldn't be thinking about what we were doing. To keep our nerve up to chase out the fear. Somewhere along the way we stopped at two houses, One I don't remember, I was so tired, and off and on I slept. We stopped at this one house. Charlie got out of the car to look in the window. We went around the block and Charlie came back. We picked up Charlie and he said: "Man, there were pictures of children in that house. I just couldn't do that." Musn't Go Into House He said there might come a time when he might have to kill some children but we mustn't go in that house in order to save the children, And so, I accepted that. And we kept driving. I fell asleep. I slept. I oroughly exhau ‘when I woke up, we were parked. I looked around. I recognized the n ood as being one“? had taken an acid trip with Charlie and the girls and some people who lived in a house there, a few months before. I didn't mention it to Charlie right at that time. But I did later. Charlie got out of the car and went into a house (the residence of Leno and Rosemary La Bianca) with a gun, and we all just sat there very quiet, didn't make a sound, lit cigarets and sat there and smoked and didn't say anything. Then I dozed off and after I dozed off I had a dream. It was so visual, it was actually what was happening in the house. I could see Charlie tying the man up and talking to him. Tying the woman up. Then Charlie came back to the car and I woke up, He had crept into the hausa_with “Hie g0h—that's what he told me e-azhen,he came’ back to the car. And later he told me, here's related to me, he said he told the man and woman: "I'm not here to hurt you. Just be calm. It'll be OK. Just sit down and be still." Then he tied them up with pieces of leather he wore around his neck. Then when he came back to the car, and I woke up, he told Tex, he said: "Now the last time you blew it. You panicked the people. Don't panic the people this time. Let them think it's going to be OK—so they'll at least go in peace." It was Charlie directing the scene right there this time, very coolly. Very coolly. Charlie said the last time Tex had told the people, the people at the Tate house: "You are going to die." And this caused the panic. "This time," he said, "it's going to be OK. Be nice to them. Don't cause them to panic, to put more fear in them than they already have. — "Let them live in peace to infinity. Let them live in peace to infinity." Charlie was directing me and the others. ; So he instructed Katie and Leslie, told Katie and Leslie to go into the house with Tex. I hoped he wouldn't ask me to do it—and he didn't because he picked up on those vibrations. Katie and Tex and Leslie went into the house, Which left Linda, Clem and me and Charlie. vwere through: Charlie said he eT ecior tie becaus® ne was going to take Clem and Linda and me to another house. And: we drove off. But we didn't go to \another house. I guess he couldn't find’ one that suited him. But, mmmnn, I fell asleep because I was tired. But before I did, I said: “Charlie, isn't that the house we took the acid trip in?" And he said, "No, it was the house next door." We knew the people next door but we didn't know if they still were Up to the time she was dead, the woman kepf saying: “What are you doing to my husband?” living there or not. And if they were, Charlie would have picked it to instill a lot of fear in them because they had just totally blanked out on us—they were people who had given us their word, then backed out on it, like Terry Melcher. But I don't have any opinion at all, whether he. picked it for that reason or because we just happened to pass it.- Anyway, when we drove into the gas station, Linda got out and went into the women's restroom and left the wallet there. It was the man's Waketrwith credit cards in n ‘Charlie’ had taken from thé Hote after he tied the couple up. We were hoping that a black woman would find it and pick it up and use the credit cards, which would direct the police to black people, so that it would instill more fear into white people. Charlie reacts to black people, digs them, because he spent most of his life in jail, about 20 years. ; Then we drove around. Just kept driving around and ended up back at the ranch, | And when the people, the three— Katie, Tex and lie—who were left. at the La Bianca house got back to the ranch, I got Katie to tell me what had happened, I got Katie to tell me because Katie and I are e was the only one of the i at said anything tome.